MKz Lug nuts

[jm98]

I ended paying around $110 for lug nuts replacement that was once a MKz recall and free replacement.  I am not original owner but my MKz was originally leased from same dealer and I picked it up as certified pre-owned.  What surprise me that dealer was asking $250 for lug-nuts replacement.  I argued that this car has been serviced from day one with the dealer. Then service guy kept insisting that no recall on  it.  I told that I know about recall and read about it. I was going to get printout if he kept insisting but he dropped the price down to just over hundred bucks.  I wanted to get it replaced and felt it was reasonable.  This wasn't about money for me but I thought the dealer service guy didn't represent Lincoln luxury service experience, if there is one.  It felt like a Kia dealership but I am sure Kia treats their service customers better.

[bbf2530]

1 hour ago, jm98 said:

I ended paying around $110 for lug nuts replacement that was once a MKz recall and free replacement.  I am not original owner but my MKz was originally leased from same dealer and I picked it up as certified pre-owned.  What surprise me that dealer was asking $250 for lug-nuts replacement.  I argued that this car has been serviced from day one with the dealer. Then service guy kept insisting that no recall on  it.  I told that I know about recall and read about it. I was going to get printout if he kept insisting but he dropped the price down to just over hundred bucks.  I wanted to get it replaced and felt it was reasonable.  This wasn't about money for me but I thought the dealer service guy didn't represent Lincoln luxury service experience, if there is one.  It felt like a Kia dealership but I am sure Kia treats their service customers better.

Hi jm98. Just as an FYI - I do not believe that the lug nut issue was ever a "Recall".  Recalls are generally for serious safety issues. A recall requires all owners of the affected vehicles being notified that their cars have a safety issue which must be corrected, and how to arrange to bring your car in and have your Dealership correct it..

At best, Ford simply issued a TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) to it's Lincoln and Ford Dealerships that the lug nuts should be replaced if a customer brings their car in and has an issue with "swollen" lug nuts.

While some people may consider the "Recall" versus "TSB" conversation a matter of semantics, the wording makes a big difference.  That being said, the Service Advisor should have been aware of the issue or at least run your VIN through the OASIS system to see if there are any outstanding TSB's. However, most TSB's do not extend warranty coverage.

Hope this information helps. Good luck.

 

[scn101]

I hate Ford/Lincoln lug nuts.  Why?  Because they use a stainless steel cap on top of a nut.  The cap is decorative and functions quite well until it gets hit with an impact socket during tire rotations, etc.  Then the cap gets chewed up to the point that you have to use a slightly larger six point socket and may even need to use a hammer to bang a socket onto the lug nut.  This has been true for both of my gf's two Focus, my Fusion, and now my MKZh.  Below is a pic of what happens to the lug nut (from my Fusion), the Ford lug nut on the right, a solid aftermarket replacement on the left.  I wasn't about to have this happen to the MKZ.  The MKZ uses 14x1.5 lug nuts and I found a set for $32 on eBay from the same seller I bought the Fusion's lug nuts six years ago.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/20-Lug-Nuts-14x1-5-Chrome-Replacement-Lugs-fits-Ford-Mustang-OE-Wheels-2015-2020/312591506707  These fit the MKZ's 19" wheels perfectly and have a brighter chrome finish that I like vs. the duller stainless steel.  One thing, I don't know how well they'll hold up in a Northern climate with road salt.  The Fusion's lug nuts looked great after six years (save for a few scuffs from impact sockets!) but I live in Texas.  Oh, and don't forget, the MKZ torque spec is 150ft/lbs (vs what I'm used to, 100ft/lbs on the Fusion and Focus).

 

If you never use an impact socket, you don't need this.  If you do, or your shop does, you do.  You don't want to be stuck at the side of the road trying to remove a tire with a socket that no longer fits.

 

 

Edited January 29, 2020 by scn101

[scn101]

Here's an interesting read: http://www.fordproblems.com/swollen-lug-nuts/

[fusionff]

Same issue with Toyota, Dodge, and Chevy lugnuts.  And probably other makes too.  You would think that solid one piece lugnuts would have been standard OEM equipment a long time ago from all manufacturers.

[Viking]

Dunno if anyone else thinks that lug nuts are too expensive, but I do.  I found these on Amazon, and thought they were more to the left of the price point.  I bought a set, and blew it on this one.   I have no idea if they will rust on me, but in my opinion, they are worlds better than the capped nuts that were on the car (only see edit below).  Five of the capped nuts had been squashed by an impact and I had to drive an impact socket onto them to get them off, and then use a vice to get them out of the impact socket.  Anyway, a link for you (I removed the link so nobody else goes through what I just did) and the price does not matter if the product is the wrong one..

 

By the way, please note that I am using these on a 2012 MKZ

 

EDIT EDIT EDIT - DO NOT BUY THESE....  i BLEW IT BOYS.  I had a wheel off to check the brakes and discovered that the neck of each lug nut was not going through the hole in the wheel.  I would have to drill all my wheel holes out to 18 or 19 MMs in order fore these to work as they should.  It is a very good thing that I only drove about 20 miles all together on these, as if any had come loose I would have ruined that wheel.   I took all but five of them off, and will limp around like this until my newly ordered McGard lug nuts come in.  I have four original lug nuts and one washer nut on each of three wheels and three originals and two washer nuts on the fourth, which will suffice till 1st of April.

 

Final Note:  The nuts I bought were actually made in a size to fit Toyota OEM aluminum wheels, so the idea of the washered mag wheel nuts was correct, but the stem size to fit throught the lug holes in the wheels was too large.  They do, I presume, make these in a size to fit my wheels, but I just went back to coned nuts from McGard.

Edited March 31, 2020 by Viking

[MKZMark]

Mine wheels have been off the car for dealer service 4 times and the nuts don't have a mark on them.

[Viking]

49 minutes ago, MKZMark said:

Mine wheels have been off the car for dealer service 4 times and the nuts don't have a mark on them.

 

You have a good dealer.  They are likely not using impact wrenches on them and are probably not in a hurry.  All of my original nuts are marked up, and five of them were of no more use whatever.

[wjr249]

I am looking at replacing all of my lug nuts with Gorilla's "The system" P/N 71633NBC (all lugs in the set are lock lug nuts in black chrome, 71633N for regular chrome). has any one put black lug nuts on and have a picture of them? I fear that I might like the sound of it better than what it actually ends up looking?

 

Back story on why I'm going with all lock nuts: My Wife's navigator lug nuts were in very bad condition the last time we went to Discount Tire, they actually used a mallet to get stuck sockets off and messed up all of her rims, I was not happy. DT blamed Ford but I have repeatedly asked for our lug nuts to be installed by hand to slow the technicians down a little so they can think about what there doing but DT always has reasurances about how there process is perfictlly safe. Needless to say after they marred all of her rims I got fed up and started looking in to alternative options. Installed a chrome set of Gorilla's "The System" and the next time the Navi was at DT the techs had a WTF look on there face when realizing that they were going to have to install a key on every single lug nut in order to remove and install each wheel. See attached photos of front drivers rim after install bellow, DT has agreed to fix/replace the rims to make it right im just trying to avoid being in this situation a second time:  

[rubyinla]

So my lug nuts are coming apart and I'm looking at these in Amazon.  "Eisen 12x1.5 One-Piece Chrome OEM Factory Style Replacement Lug Nuts for Ford Focus Fusion Escape Stock Wheels

by Eisen Performance"   https://amzn.com/B07WW2M1XQ

 

Confusion comes in when the vendor says they fit the MKZ and then Amazon garage says they don't fit.

I like these because they are the same length as the originals.  All the other aftermarket ones from DP etc, are at least a quarter inch longer.

 

Anyone have any experience with this brand.  They haven't responded to my chat request.

[bbf2530]

3 hours ago, rubyinla said:

So my lug nuts are coming apart and I'm looking at these in Amazon.  "Eisen 12x1.5 One-Piece Chrome OEM Factory Style Replacement Lug Nuts for Ford Focus Fusion Escape Stock Wheels

by Eisen Performance"   https://amzn.com/B07WW2M1XQ

 

Confusion comes in when the vendor says they fit the MKZ and then Amazon garage says they don't fit.

I like these because they are the same length as the originals.  All the other aftermarket ones from DP etc, are at least a quarter inch longer.

 

Anyone have any experience with this brand.  They haven't responded to my chat request.

 

Hi ruby. My advice would be to purchase McGard or Gorilla brand lug nuts. They are considered the best in the business.

 

EDIT - For what it is worth, I use McGard lugnuts and locking lugnuts.

 

Good luck.

Edited June 23, 2020 by bbf2530

[kramf411]

@rubyinla I cannot comment on the Eisen lugs.

However, I just finally installed my McGard lugs after completing my project of replacing my rotors/pads 2 days ago. They're solid!

I bought from amazon. It was $10 cheaper at that time but even at the current price, it is the cheapest you can find for quality lugs.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007QB5AHY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Edited June 23, 2020 by kramf411
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[rubyinla]

Thanks @kramf411.  I put the order, about 2 hours ago for the Eisen's after they returned my email saying they, in fact, did fit the MKZ.

My main goal was to keep the lug nut height similar to the stock ones.  They are suppose to be here on the 26th so I'll see how they compare / fit over the weekend.

Thanks again....

 

[Viking]

14 hours ago, rubyinla said:

Thanks @kramf411.  I put the order, about 2 hours ago for the Eisen's after they returned my email saying they, in fact, did fit the MKZ.

My main goal was to keep the lug nut height similar to the stock ones.  They are suppose to be here on the 26th so I'll see how they compare / fit over the weekend.

Thanks again....

 

Ruby, to the best of my knowledge, the lugnut size changed in 2013 to 14X1.5.  The 12X1.5 are 2012 and older MKZ.  I suspect, when you get these, they will not be correct.  This happened to me with Amazon about three months ago, and I ended up buying McGard and selling the first set to a guy with a Chrysler.  For my MKZ it was the opposite of what you are doing, as mine is a 2012.  Someone else please correct me if i am wrong.

Edited June 24, 2020 by Viking

[bbf2530]

3 hours ago, Viking said:

Ruby, to the best of my knowledge, the lugnut size changed in 2013 to 14X1.5.  The 12X1.5 are 2012 and older MKZ.  I suspect, when you get these, they will not be correct.  This happened to me with Amazon about three months ago, and I ended up buying McGard and selling the first set to a guy with a Chrysler.  For my MKZ it was the opposite of what you are doing, as mine is a 2012.  Someone else please correct me if i am wrong.

 

Hi Viking. The lug/lugnut size changed for the 2017 model year, with the introductions of the 3.0T engine.

 

So, M12 x 1.5 up to and through the 2016 model year. Then M14 x 1.5 for 2017+ model years.

 

For those wanting to verify their particular specs, it is listed in our Owners Manuals in the "Wheels and Tires" section.

 

Good luck.

[rubyinla]

Amazing...  Put the order in yesterday afternoon and they got here this afternoon.

I'll try a fit test tomorrow.

 

6-25...  They fit!  For some reason I can't download photos from the computer this morning.

Edited June 25, 2020 by rubyinla

[rubyinla]

Nice fit and looks just like factory.  The test fit was in the first photo.  If you can't tell the new lug nut is in the 10 o'clock position.

$39 with tax.

 

Discount Tire rotated, balanced and put the new nuts on for free.  Awesome deal !!! 

All installed last pic.  Looks stock and if the wheels stay on I'm happy.

 

Edited June 26, 2020 by rubyinla

[Viking]

On 6/24/2020 at 10:51 AM, bbf2530 said:

 

Hi Viking. The lug/lugnut size changed for the 2017 model year, with the introductions of the 3.0T engine.

 

So, M12 x 1.5 up to and through the 2016 model year. Then M14 x 1.5 for 2017+ model years.

 

For those wanting to verify their particular specs, it is listed in our Owners Manuals in the "Wheels and Tires" section.

 

Good luck.

 

Thank you bbf2530 for clarifying this.  I knew there were two different specs but did not, obviously, have the correct year of change.  Enlightened now. LOL

[Chris109]

On 6/23/2020 at 2:06 PM, bbf2530 said:

 

Hi ruby. My advice would be to purchase McGard or Gorilla brand lug nuts. They are considered the best in the business.

 

EDIT - For what it is worth, I use McGard lugnuts and locking lugnuts.

 

Good luck.

 

 

Well, it turns out I need lug nuts.  Bbf, what size did you get?  I know the diameter, but what about length?  I tried to remove one from my car but they may need to be 'professionally' removed cause my ratchet doesn't do the trick.  I usually end up getting the wrong thing the first time.  Just like going to a hardware store.  You NEVER only go once.

[bbf2530]

5 hours ago, Chris109 said:

 

 

Well, it turns out I need lug nuts.  Bbf, what size did you get?  I know the diameter, but what about length?  I tried to remove one from my car but they may need to be 'professionally' removed cause my ratchet doesn't do the trick.  I usually end up getting the wrong thing the first time.  Just like going to a hardware store.  You NEVER only go once.

 

Hi Chris. I have the McGard chrome locking lugnuts. They are the Lincoln Accessory model.

 

I have not needed to replace the regular (non-locking) lugnuts yet, since I had the factory lugnuts replaced under warranty.

 

However, I have notes from when I was looking, and I decided when I do need to replace them, I will go with the Gorilla chrome model# "61147CX".

My notes state that they are the correct "bulge acorn" type and the length is 1.62". They are also 21mm hex size, which means you can use the factory lug wrench. I usually prefer McGard, but the chrome lugnuts they listed which would fit our MKZ's need a 22mm lug wrench, making it necessary to carry two different lug wrenches or sockets.

 

And my notes also state they are listed on "Page 9 on the Gorilla website": https://www.gorilla-auto.com/lug-nuts-page-09

 

So short story, if/when I need new lugnuts, I will purchase the Gorilla brand model #"61147CX".

 

Here is a Google search for them: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Gorilla+"61147CX"

 

Hope this information helps. Let us know how you make out and good luck.

Edited October 1, 2021 by bbf2530

[Chris109]

10 hours ago, bbf2530 said:

 

Hi Chris. I have the McGard chrome locking lugnuts. They are the Lincoln Accessory model.

 

I have not needed to replace the regular (non-locking) lugnuts yet, since I had the factory lugnuts replaced under warranty.

 

However, I have notes from when I was looking, and I decided when I do need to replace them, I will go with the Gorilla chrome model# "61147CX".

My notes state that they are the correct "bulge acorn" type and the length is 1.62". They are also 21mm hex size, which means you can use the factory lug wrench. I usually prefer McGard, but the chrome lugnuts they listed which would fit our MKZ's need a 22mm lug wrench, making it necessary to carry two different lug wrenches or sockets.

 

And my notes also state they are listed on "Page 9 on the Gorilla website": https://www.gorilla-auto.com/lug-nuts-page-09

 

So short story, if/when I need new lugnuts, I will purchase the Gorilla brand model #"61147CX".

 

Here is a Google search for them: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Gorilla+"61147CX"

 

Hope this information helps. Let us know how you make out and good luck.

 

 

Do you think they would be part of the extended warranty?

[bbf2530]

1 hour ago, Chris109 said:

 

 

Do you think they would be part of the extended warranty?

 

Hi Chris. Unfortunately not. But it never hurts to ask the Service Department at your Dealership. You might catch them on a generous  day.

 

Let us know how you make out and good luck.

Edited October 1, 2021 by bbf2530

[Chris109]

6 hours ago, bbf2530 said:

 

Hi Chris. Unfortunately not. But it never hurts to ask the Service Department at your Dealership. You might catch them on a generous  day.

 

Let us know how you make out and good luck.

 

I removed one of the lugs.  It is not 1.62" in height.  It is only 1.5".  Would that make a difference?

[bbf2530]

1 hour ago, Chris109 said:

 

I removed one of the lugs.  It is not 1.62" in height.  It is only 1.5".  Would that make a difference?

 

Hi Chris. No. None at all.

 

Good luck.

[johnnpee]

Dang that's way too much to change the lug nuts?! I bought my MKZ used and noticed that some of the lug nuts have been changed and some of them haven't ?. I remember having this problem on my Fusion and got them all changed at discount tire for like $20 or $30

 

For $200 you could literally buy an impact gun and 2-3 full sets of lug nuts and do it yourself in 5mins.