Hybrid MPG

[timf]

Having a hybrid truly does change the way you drive, assuming your goal is to maximize the time spent in EV mode.  Previously, I'd simply accelerate to 1-2 MPH above the speed limit and set the cruise control there.  Now, I'm often as much as 5 MPH below the speed limit as I accelerate gently and let off the gas to keep the car in EV mode.  Of course, if I do have someone right behind me I'll keep up the speed more.

 

To the person with the 65 mile freeway commute - I would not recommend a hybrid and would instead look into clean diesel.  Diesels excel at long-distance highway driving, while hybrids are better for city/suburban or stop-and-go driving.

[robertlane]

I was going to comment right when I read your proposed speed of 70-80 MPH  :redcard: , however, srcolon, steveb_tx and timf answered it nicely.

 

There's a big misconception that you can jump into a Hybrid and drive it as you would a gas powered MKZ and expect high MPGs.

 

You find both on this forum, the http://www.fordfusionhybridforum.com and the http://www.fordcmaxhybridforum.com that driving these cars to achieve the posted MPGs and more takes a little learning curve. 

[srcolson]

With my 50 mile one way commute, I estimate that over 5 years time, I would spend $1000 more in diesel fuel cost if I chose the new 3 Series BMW diesel. Similar HP but more torque. I once owned a BMW and it was a great car, but the new ones aren't as reliable. When the profile gasket blew on my 3 Series and BMW wouldn't pay for the cost of replacing a known defect, I swore to never buy another BMW. Anyway...I wouldn't consider a diesel to be more attractive for my long commute. Even when I considered the possibility of buying a turbo diesel, my wife said "hell no!"

[robertlane]

With my 50 mile one way commute, I estimate that over 5 years time, I would spend $1000 more in diesel fuel cost if I chose the new 3 Series BMW diesel. Similar HP but more torque. I once owned a BMW and it was a great car, but the new ones aren't as reliable. When the profile gasket blew on my 3 Series and BMW wouldn't pay for the cost of replacing a known defect, I swore to never buy another BMW. Anyway...I wouldn't consider a diesel to be more attractive for my long commute. Even when I considered the possibility of buying a turbo diesel, my wife said "hell no!"

 

Your comments about BMW are interesting. I had an M6 back in the late 1980s, however, I wouldn't own a new BMW today as they really don't interest me. They seem to have lost their simplicity and the Ultimate Driving Machine seems too bloated.

[srcolson]

When I think of BMW, I think of the most responsive steering of any vehicle I've driven. I guess having the front wheels "touching" the front bumper has some advantages?

[scowally]

Thanks for the info, I was already looking at the diesels but an article about the MKZh caught my eye and I just kept looking...  I did find a used MKZh for $29+K in my favorite color but I am still in the research phase (drives my wife nuts "why are you always looking at cars...").  So it looks like the MKZh might not be for me - too bad it is a great looking car but my commute is just a little too much I believe.  Onto diesels that a few of you have suggested - I have thought about a BMW 328d and while BMW says starting price is $37K, good luck finding one at that price range (local dealer had one spec'd out to $50K).  Anyway, will probably start looking at a VW Diesel or maybe the Mazda6 diesel, if Mazda ever figures that one out (already been delayed twice).

 

Thanks for the advice - much appreciated!!

[Davisjl]

You may have already purchase another vehicle...  However, I wanted to post in case anyone else reads this thread...

 

As a comparison... I drive from Atlanta to Nashville on a regular basis and cruise at 80 mph for most of the trip.  I get between 36-38mpg on those trips.  The key is to use your ECO adaptive cruise and let the computer do the work instead of your foot.

 

Now, that's not the 40+ you'd get at 62 mph or city driving... However, it's pretty damn competitive compared to most vehicles out there of similar size.  Combine that with some city driving and I fully expect to be near 40 mpg average on the life of the car.  I don't baby the car in any sense, but I don't full throttle it either... I drive "normal" with the exception of learning to break earlier and softer to regen the battery... but that's kinda fun with the break coach ')

 

Anyway, I think the MKZ can make a very excellent high speed cruiser too... you just have to understand that you're not getting the MAXIMUM benefit from the hybrd at those speeds.  However, at no premium upcharge for the Hybrid... for me it's like found money.

[Richard Stahl]

As a MKZ Hybrid owner, i have come to love this car. I previously owned a Prius C4. Now the Prius C4 got 50mpg and this one routinely gets 39 - 42. My daily commute (mix of highway and secondary roads) is 46 miles. However, there is an unequivocal difference between the two from a style, size, and quality standpoint. To one of the previous posts, i too have never driven as conservatively as i do now as a hybrid owner. It becomes this game which is almost addictive.. GO BLUE!! :)

[Dave Phillips]

I have just over 7000 miles on my 2014 mkz hybrid and my average is 41 mpg.Thats mostly hyway driving.I love this car.

[Mark95man]

I have spoken to Lincoln and they called back with their additional offer on the reduced EPA MPG. They will NOT accept the return of the car---already guessed that.  In addition to the $1,050 payment, they offered a longer free basic maintenance including brakes, windshield wipers, oil changes, tire rotation and air filters. Since my dealership installed locking lug nuts that  were not tightened as per the specifications, they will not touch this car. If I get wrapped rotors, they'll blame me!  The dealer ship charges $70 for full synthetic oil, so NO to that--I'll change my own oil! They also offer a one payment refund if the car was financed for 5 years--car is paid for. Just not worth it as I have two other actions going.  This will be my last FoMoCo car purchased by my family. I purchased my first new car in 1969--a 1970 Lincoln MARK III, then ten more new FoMoCo vehicles. Screw me once, shame on you, screw me twice, shame on me!

Edited June 26, 2014 by Mark95man

[Davisjl]

I have spoken to Lincoln and they called back with their additional offer on the reduced EPA MPG. They will NOT accept the return of the car---already guessed that.  In addition to the $1,050 payment, they offered a longer free basic maintenance including brakes, windshield wipers, oil changes, tire rotation and air filters. Since my dealership installed locking lug nuts that  were not tightened as per the specifications, they will not touch this car. If I get wrapped rotors, they'll blame me!  The dealer ship charges $70 for full synthetic oil, so NO to that--I'll change my own oil! They also offer a one payment refund if the car was financed for 5 years--car is paid for. Just not worth it as I have two other actions going.  This will be my last FoMoCo car purchased by my family. I purchased my first new car in 1969--a 1970 Lincoln MARK III, then ten more new FoMoCo vehicles. Screw me once, shame on you, screw me twice, shame on me!

I'm a bit confused by your post...

 

What is your issue here? Ford revised the MPG and are paying you the cost of gas for that difference for a 5 year period (assuming 15,000 miles per year). They have also offered extended maintenance which includes oil changes which you said was 70 dollars each, so that's additional savings to you. Not sure how Ford is responsible for your dealership screwing up your wheels... I would hold your dealership responsible for that.

 

I don't know, sounds to me like Ford is being very fair with their offer... maybe I'm just not understanding your post?

[Mark95man]

I'm a bit confused by your post...

 

What is your issue here? Ford revised the MPG and are paying you the cost of gas for that difference for a 5 year period (assuming 15,000 miles per year). They have also offered extended maintenance which includes oil changes which you said was 70 dollars each, so that's additional savings to you. Not sure how Ford is responsible for your dealership screwing up your wheels... I would hold your dealership responsible for that.

 

I don't know, sounds to me like Ford is being very fair with their offer... maybe I'm just not understanding your post?

 

Confused? So sad that MKZ Hybrid owners do not realize that their cars took a major hit in resale value! Who wouldn't be annoyed that a 45 EPA MPG car was sold with false information? Due to the Class Action Lawsuit on the reduced MPG on the 2013 MKZ Hybrid, Lincoln was aware of the issue but continued the sales without proper notice to consumers. Just remember that  The Lincoln Motor Company placed the  EPA 45 MPG claim on the window sticker. Many are happy to be paid off with a $1,050 check from Lincoln! But when the day comes to resell their MKZH, they'll understand what I am annoyed about---the RESALE VALUE is now far less being a 37 MPG vehicle! Just go visit another Hybrid Brand as they are laughing over this issue as THEIR Hybrids give higher EPA MPG = higher resale value. My issue: If Lincoln had advised us that the EPA 45 MPG was about to be lowered, the purchase would NOT have been completed. The vehicle is  "NOT AS DESCRIBED".

 

We purchased a 2014 MKZ Hybrid with the bragging of Lincoln, their Dealerships & Salespeople of the EPA 45 certified MPG. Our former purchased new Lincolns, Mercurys and Fords gave us well above the EPA stated MPG since we drive keeping forward conditions monitored to avoid hard stopping and jack rabbit starts. I find it funny that jack rabbit drivers and those who have to slam on their brakes + those who drive above 65 MPH are thinking a Hybrid will give them high MPG. They're the ones who are confused over Hybrid's MPG. The Lincoln MKZ Hybrid is a big disappointment to me SINCE the claimed EPA MPG was over blown by 8 MPG--that's a big difference!

 

As to the $70 oil change cost----that's the Dealership's ADDTIONAL charge/fee for using FULL synthetic oil INSTEAD of the blended oil they use.

 

We planned on keeping our two new 2014 new vehicles for three years. At that time, we'll purchase two new ones AND they'll NOT be anything made by FoMoCo.

Edited June 30, 2014 by Mark95man

[Davisjl]

Confused? So sad that MKZ Hybrid owners do not realize that their cars took a major hit in resale value! Who wouldn't be annoyed that a 45 EPA MPG car was sold with false information? Due to the Class Action Lawsuit on the reduced MPG on the 2013 MKZ Hybrid, Lincoln was aware of the issue but continued the sales without proper notice to consumers. Just remember that  The Lincoln Motor Company placed the  EPA 45 MPG claim on the window sticker. Many are happy to be paid off with a $1,050 check from Lincoln! But when the day comes to resell their MKZH, they'll understand what I am annoyed about---the RESALE VALUE is now far less being a 37 MPG vehicle! Just go visit another Hybrid Brand as they are laughing over this issue as THEIR Hybrids give higher EPA MPG = higher resale value. My issue: If Lincoln had advised us that the EPA 45 MPG was about to be lowered, the purchase would NOT have been completed. The vehicle is  "NOT AS DESCRIBED".

 

We purchased a 2014 MKZ Hybrid with the bragging of Lincoln, their Dealerships & Salespeople of the EPA 45 certified MPG. Our former purchased new Lincolns, Mercurys and Fords gave us well above the EPA stated MPG since we drive keeping forward conditions monitored to avoid hard stopping and jack rabbit starts. I find it funny that jack rabbit drivers and those who have to slam on their brakes + those who drive above 65 MPH are thinking a Hybrid will give them high MPG. They're the ones who are confused over Hybrid's MPG. The Lincoln MKZ Hybrid is a big disappointment to me SINCE the claimed EPA MPG was over blown by 8 MPG--that's a big difference!

 

As to the $70 oil change cost----that's the Dealership's ADDTIONAL charge/fee for using FULL synthetic oil INSTEAD of the blended oil they use.

 

We planned on keeping our two new 2014 new vehicles for three years. At that time, we'll purchase two new ones AND they'll NOT be anything made by FoMoCo.

First off, I've never bought a car based on a window sticker MPG. I've always looked at the real world results that are found on many websites... I've also never bought a car for sticker price... Not sure what good the sticker is for anything other than "window dressing". My recommendation to you for the future would be to ignore anything and everything on the sticker and do some real research first. Maybe that will help keep you from finding yourself in this situation again. (BTW, consumer reports said that over 55% of the hybrids on the market fell at least 10% short of their sticker MPG in real world testing... and yes, Ford was dinged by them in that report).

 

Secondly, I doubt there is much of any hit to the resale value due to MPG being lowered... maybe a few hundred dollars at most. Cars depreciate pretty quickly on their own, and even at 37 MPG the MKZ has a much better chance of holding it's value over the other hybrids as it's pretty undervalued right now at the point of sale. There are few if any other cars offering the same features at such a small price. The biggest concern I would have regarding resale value of a hybrid would be the battery life/cost to replace and not the MPG. The price I paid for the car was, in my opinion, under priced consider the REAL WORLD MPG figures and the feature set of the car.

 

Third, you have every right to not buy another Ford. That is for sure your choice; however, I think that Ford has made a pretty fair offer for a mistake they made (even if knowingly). Of course, that's just my opinion. So maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Edited June 30, 2014 by Davisjl

[Mark95man]

First off, I've never bought a car based on a window sticker MPG. I've always looked at the real world results that are found on many websites... I've also never bought a car for sticker price... Not sure what good the sticker is for anything other than "window dressing". My recommendation to you for the future would be to ignore anything and everything on the sticker and do some real research first. Maybe that will help keep you from finding yourself in this situation again. (BTW, consumer reports said that over 55% of the hybrids on the market fell at least 10% short of their sticker MPG in real world testing... and yes, Ford was dinged by them in that report).

 

Secondly, I doubt there is much of any hit to the resale value due to MPG being lowered... maybe a few hundred dollars at most. Cars depreciate pretty quickly on their own, and even at 37 MPG the MKZ has a much better chance of holding it's value over the other hybrids as it's pretty undervalued right now at the point of sale. There are few if any other cars offering the same features at such a small price. The biggest concern I would have regarding resale value of a hybrid would be the battery life/cost to replace and not the MPG. The price I paid for the car was, in my opinion, under priced consider the REAL WORLD MPG figures and the feature set of the car.

 

Third, you have every right to not buy another Ford. That is for sure your choice; however, I think that Ford has made a pretty fair offer for a mistake they made (even if knowingly). Of course, that's just my opinion. So maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

 

 

We of course can disagree. I never stated I purchased any vehicle based upon the posted EPA MPG figure--how did you assume that? I think you missed my point on 10 other new Ford vehicles + five other makes that we purchased, we always exceeded the EPA MPG when that information was posted. Even on assorted rental cars of other makes, our MPG was higher. Based upon MY experience and way of driving, that's the way it is. My 2014 Navigator has a posted EPA 15 MPG but I'm getting 17.7 MPG.

 

Anyone one, including FoMoCo or Public Relations Employees + diehard Lincoln Lovers feel they must defend this MKZ Hybrid issue. The best defense that is always used is to place the blame on the one pointing out the issue. "Oh, he should have done his homework or researched it better!" I think most could understand that it can be difficult to research vehicles when the MANUFACTURER posted false information. As to the real world, we have entries on this forum where people are stating they're getting +40 MPG while driving very fast---total B.S.

 

As for the resale value, I was just pointing that out, so we'll see what happens when a tire kicker wants a piece of that refund

Edited June 30, 2014 by Mark95man

[Davisjl]

We of course can disagree. I never stated I purchased any vehicle based upon the posted EPA MPG figure--how did you assume that? I think you missed my point on 10 other new Ford vehicles + five other makes that we purchased, we always exceeded the EPA MPG when that information was posted. Even on assorted rental cars of other makes, our MPG was higher. Based upon MY experience and way of driving, that's the way it is. My 2014 Navigator has a posted EPA 15 MPG but I'm getting 17.7 MPG.

Because you're upset that they've reset the MPG to the actual real world numbers. If you knew what the real world numbers were prior to buying it, why would you now want to "return" the car now? Also, if that was the case that you bought the car knowing the real world numbers, the $ 1050 offered by Ford would more than makeup for any depreciation. As a side note, I exceed the real world numbers on my 2014 MKZ at an average of 39.9 mpg for the first 4000 miles I've put on the car and I'm not a Hybrid type driver (never owned one before) and I drive my typical way as I do any other car I've owned. The first 2k or so of mileage was at 38, so the second 2k or so of mileage would be at 42 roughly (break in period maybe?).

 

 

Anyone one, including FoMoCo or Public Relations Employees + diehard Lincoln Lovers feel they must defend this MKZ Hybrid issue. The best defense that is always used is to place the blame on the one pointing out the issue. "Oh, he should have done his homework or researched it better!" I think most could understand that it can be difficult to research vehicles when the MANUFACTURER posted false information. As to the real world, we have entires on this forum where people are stating they're getting 40 MPG while driving very fast---total B.S.

I've never owned a Ford nor a Lincoln prior to this one. I've owned all the German ones though along with the 2008 CTS when it was redesigned. I'm not a Lincoln fanatic or anything, but I do like this car and the feature set it offered for the price. They Hybrid was just a bonus (I've never owned a Hybrid either). As for the 40 mpg at highway speeds... I drive from Atlanta to Nashville often and regularly get 38+ mpg with my normal driving style. I have also once tried to be as efficient as possible in a challenge to see how well I could do and I got 42 mpg on the way to Nashville and 43 on the way home... That was driving at the speed limits and using the Eco Cruise most of the way. So yes, it's very possible to achieve 40+ mpg if you want to.

 

As for the Blame, I'm not blaming you for the error Ford made, but Ford did step up and make an offer that I think is fair. What disagree with you on is that offer being fair... Any company can make a mistake (be it knowingly or not)... They were wrong and have made an offer to their client base. Now it's up to the client base to determine if that offer is good enough. For me, it is. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Ford/Lincoln. Your "Mileage" may vary ;) 

Edited June 30, 2014 by Davisjl

[Mark95man]

Because you're upset that they've reset the MPG to the actual real world numbers. If you knew what the real world numbers were prior to buying it, why would you now want to "return" the car now? Also, if that was the case that you bought the car knowing the real world numbers, the $ 1050 offered by Ford would more than makeup for any depreciation. As a side note, I exceed the real world numbers on my 2014 MKZ at an average of 39.9 mpg for the first 4000 miles I've put on the car and I'm not a Hybrid type driver (never owned one before) and I drive my typical way as I do any other car I've owned. The first 2k or so of mileage was at 38, so the second 2k or so of mileage would be at 42 roughly (break in period maybe?).

 

 

I've never owned a Ford nor a Lincoln prior to this one. I've owned all the German ones though along with the 2008 CTS when it was redesigned. I'm not a Lincoln fanatic or anything, but I do like this car and the feature set it offered for the price. They Hybrid was just a bonus (I've never owned a Hybrid either). As for the 40 mpg at highway speeds... I drive from Atlanta to Nashville often and regularly get 38+ mpg with my normal driving style. I have also once tried to be as efficient as possible in a challenge to see how well I could do and I got 42 mpg on the way to Nashville and 43 on the way home... That was driving at the speed limits and using the Eco Cruise most of the way. So yes, it's very possible to achieve 40+ mpg if you want to.

 

As for the Blame, I'm not blaming you for the error Ford made, but Ford did step up and make an offer that I think is fair. What disagree with you on is that offer being fair... Any company can make a mistake (be it knowingly or not)... They were wrong and have made an offer to their client base. Now it's up to the client base to determine if that offer is good enough. For me, it is. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Ford/Lincoln. Your "Mileage" may vary ;)

 

As I stated before on this Website, I never would have purchased the 2014 MKZ Hybrid if FoMoCo gave a hint that they were about to revise the EPA 45 MPG downward. The number 1 reason why people purchase Hybrids is the high MPG.

 

To clearly answer your question on if I knew before purchase would I want to return the car now? Easy answer: If I knew, the purchase would NOT have been completed.

 

I've purchased at least 16 NEW vehicles and know what's required during a break in. A Hybrid is a different type of vehicle. Since we drive with forward looking vision, we do not need to hit the breaks hard. The Hybrid likes long soft breaking for recharging and easy start offs. Others "suggested" it's my way of driving--that's was part of the blame game on these Websites. Most of these "others" never considered a better way to drive.

 

I am more than upset at being ripped off by FoMoCo on this Hybrid. If they really wanted to do the right thing, just take the car back and issue a refund. Then customer service and the name MKZ Hybrid wouldn't take a major hit. Many owners don't feel this way as they financed their cars. To them, this $1,050 is found money--for now. I can't say what actions I am taking against the selling Dealership, but they're not happy at all. They had their chance but offered nothing. Maybe offering a car return and the purchase of a gas engine MKZ would have worked but that ship has sailed.

Edited June 30, 2014 by Mark95man

[Davisjl]

As I stated before on this Website, I never would have purchased the 2014 MKZ Hybrid if FoMoCo gave a hint that they were about to revise the EPA 45 MPG downward. The number 1 reason why people purchase Hybrids is the high MPG.

 

To clearly answer your question on if I knew before purchase would I want to return the car now? Easy answer: If I knew, the purchase would NOT have been completed.

 

I've purchased at least 16 NEW vehicles and know what's required during a break in. A Hybrid is a different type of vehicle. Since we drive with forward looking vision, we do not need to hit the breaks hard. The Hybrid likes long soft breaking for recharging and easy start offs. Others "suggested" it's my way of driving--that's was part of the blame game on these Websites. Most of these "others" never considered a better way to drive.

 

I am more than upset at being ripped off by FoMoCo on this Hybrid. If they really wanted to do the right thing, just take the car back and issue a refund. Then customer service and the name MKZ Hybrid wouldn't take a major hit. Many owners don't feel this way as they financed their cars. To them, this $1,050 is found money--for now. I can't say what actions I am taking against the selling Dealership, but they're not happy at all. They had their chance but offered nothing. Maybe offering a car return and the purchase of a gas engine MKZ would have worked but that ship has sailed.

You're one of the most confusing posters I've read...

 

You first said,

My issue: If Lincoln had advised us that the EPA 45 MPG was about to be lowered, the purchase would NOT have been completed.

I then pointed out the real world numbers is what I go by and not the sticker MPG to which you hen said,

I never stated I purchased any vehicle based upon the posted EPA MPG figure--how did you assume that?

Now to follow up with

As I stated before on this Website, I never would have purchased the 2014 MKZ Hybrid if FoMoCo gave a hint that they were about to revise the EPA 45 MPG downward.

It seems to me, that for some reason that 45 listed EPA MPG on the sticker influenced your purchase as you wouldn't have purchased it if you knew it wasn't going to be 45. To which I say, on any future purchases it would behoove you to examine the real world numbers if that is a influencer in your decision...

 

Also, on this thread you indicated you were only going to keep your car for 3 years... for a three year period the gas difference between 45 and 38 on 15k per year is $ 644 dollars. Now, Ford is paying you $ 1,050 for the extra cost in gas so you have an additional savings of $ 400 (all depending on your mileage of course). It seems they have also offered to extend the general service of the car for a period of time (which has some value too).

 

Anyway, it's pointless to continue this as you have your view and it seems pretty stuck on being bent out of shape. I've spent way too much time already on this thread and need to get back to real life.

 

Good luck to your future purchases... I hope they turn out better for you than this one.

Edited June 30, 2014 by Davisjl

[Mark95man]

You're one of the most confusing posters I've read...

 

You first said,

I then pointed out the real world numbers is what I go by and not the sticker MPG to which you hen said,

Now to follow up with

It seems to me, that for some reason that 45 listed EPA MPG on the sticker influenced your purchase as you wouldn't have purchased it if you knew it wasn't going to be 45. To which I say, on any future purchases it would behoove you to examine the real world numbers if that is a influencer in your decision...

 

Also, on this thread you indicated you were only going to keep your car for 3 years... for a three year period the gas difference between 45 and 38 on 15k per year is $ 644 dollars. Now, Ford is paying you $ 1,050 for the extra cost in gas so you have an additional savings of $ 400 (all depending on your mileage of course). It seems they have also offered to extend the general service of the car for a period of time (which has some value too).

 

Anyway, it's pointless to continue this as you have your view and it seems pretty stuck on being bent out of shape. I've spent way too much time already on this thread and need to get back to real life.

 

Good luck to your future purchases... I hope they turn out better for you than this one

 

RE: "You're one of the most confusing posters I've read..." Sorry that I wasn't very clear on the Dealership's $70 extra charge for using Mobil 1 oil vs the blended stuff.

 

Edited June 30, 2014 by Mark95man

[kseckel99]

My 2013 Zh is a few days over 1 year old. Averaging 38 for the life of the car. I drive to work 15 miles each way, mostly 45-55 MPH. Have driving twice from C FL to Cincinnati (where we are from). Car has 15,200 apx miles. 

 Been very happy with mileage so far. 

 But am excited about getting the rebate check from Lincoln because of the mis-calculated MPG numbers. While at dealer I notice new stickers on Zh's now say 38. Mine said 45 when we bought.

 

Keith

[Mark95man]

Really?

Edited July 14, 2014 by Mark95man

[Mark95man]

My 2013 Zh is a few days over 1 year old. Averaging 38 for the life of the car. I drive to work 15 miles each way, mostly 45-55 MPH. Have driving twice from C FL to Cincinnati (where we are from). Car has 15,200 apx miles. 

 Been very happy with mileage so far. 

 But am excited about getting the rebate check from Lincoln because of the mis-calculated MPG numbers. While at dealer I notice new stickers on Zh's now say 38. Mine said 45 when we bought.

 

Keith

 

I just can't get excited over a $1,050 REFUND on a Not As Described vehicle.

[KenZ]

My 2013 Zh is a few days over 1 year old. Averaging 38 for the life of the car. I drive to work 15 miles each way, mostly 45-55 MPH. Have driving twice from C FL to Cincinnati (where we are from). Car has 15,200 apx miles. 

 Been very happy with mileage so far. 

 But am excited about getting the rebate check from Lincoln because of the mis-calculated MPG numbers. While at dealer I notice new stickers on Zh's now say 38. Mine said 45 when we bought.

 

Keith

 

 

I just can't get excited over a $1,050 REFUND on a Not As Described vehicle.

 

Boy, I sure can get excited over $1050.  

 

I just went back and checked my window sticker.  In the mileage on my window sticker it said that actual results will vary for many reasons...   Seems like they described it pretty well.

[Mark95man]

 

Boy, I sure can get excited over $1050.  

 

I just went back and checked my window sticker.  In the mileage on my window sticker it said that actual results will vary for many reasons...   Seems like they described it pretty well.

 

 

I'm glad you checked your window sticker and can accept a 18% drop in EPA MPG. 

 

As I stated too many times to count, I've purchased well over 10 NEW FoMoCo vehicles and NOT ONE gave me less than the MPG statement on the window sticker. I realize the MPG can change but an 18% reduction for their error is beyond the scope of  "actual results will vary for many reasons." They should have updated that to "actual results will vary for many reasons including our error to conduct the EPA MPG test correctly".

 

Here the reason why I am pissed off---our 2014 MKZH was purchased late April 2014. Lincoln knew they had an EPA MPG issue due to the class action lawsuit on the 2013 MKZH. Lincoln dragged their feet in announcing their "error" on the stated EPA 45 MPG. While Lincoln was fully informed of the so called "error", they took months to come up with the $1,050 refund plan to "buy off" some owners. If I had known this fact, I would have delayed the purchase "to think" about it. In the end, I purchased a "Not As Described" item and took action on that fact. If I had known what Lincoln was planning and purchased the car, there would be no issue at all.

[HarleyJoel]

I'm happy with my mpg as well with this car. I had a 2010 Mercury Milan Hybrid prior to this car. Mechanically the same and I'm getting similar fuel economy. Very happy with this car.

[bman1111]

Just picked up my 2015 MKZ Hybrid. I love this car.

 

I took it on its first road trip for its breakin. I took the car from Toronto to Pittsburg return and under normal driving, with climate control, using cruise control etc, I averaged 5.2 l/100km for a 1300KM round trip. Incredible.

 

The car is a pleasure to drive. smooth and quiet.