bbf2530 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) Hi gang. Well, perhaps at some point in the not too distant future, Lincoln/Ford will reconsider, and bring cars/sedans back to the U.S.? ? https://www.autoevolution.com/news/lincoln-zephyr-reflection-and-corsair-phev-debut-in-china-159583.html# Edited April 20, 2021 by bbf2530 Robert Iggy Cerami 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multitask Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I like the outside look... would pass on the dash... looks toooo busy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) I just got done reading this and logged in here. If I wasn't annoyed enough about the demise of the MKZ, this just about completes it. How about this sentence? Quote With a dynamic and futuristic exterior design and a lightweight interior, the Zephyr Reflection embodies the current digital era with advanced, intuitive technology that redefines American luxury.” Seriously? Edited April 19, 2021 by drolds1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftoverture Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 China is a vastly larger and more profitable market for Ford these days, so no surprise they tailor such cars for them. That Ford abandoned the sedan market in the USA will never sit well with me especially since they are still offering sedans in other markets. Alas... I'm old enough that my next vehicle purchase could very well be my last... so I may not be around when they finally shift back the other way. bbf2530 and Robert Iggy Cerami 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 hours ago, leftoverture said: China is a vastly larger and more profitable market for Ford these days, so no surprise they tailor such cars for them. That Ford abandoned the sedan market in the USA will never sit well with me especially since they are still offering sedans in other markets. Alas... I'm old enough that my next vehicle purchase could very well be my last... so I may not be around when they finally shift back the other way. Ha. My wife gets angry at me when I say those exact words. If I am here for another car, there are still other choices. I was on my way to order a Genesis G70 Sport last year when the Lincoln dealer called and made me an offer I couldn't refuse. IDK if China is a larger and more profitable market for Ford, but they still have a strong demand for sedans. bbf2530 and Robert Iggy Cerami 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17MKZ3.0TT Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 3 hours ago, leftoverture said: China is a vastly larger and more profitable market for Ford these days, so no surprise they tailor such cars for them. That Ford abandoned the sedan market in the USA will never sit well with me especially since they are still offering sedans in other markets. Alas... I'm old enough that my next vehicle purchase could very well be my last... so I may not be around when they finally shift back the other way. Heck, ya never know when your or someone else's actions could make you, "in the market, again". I know if my 2017 24k miles 3.0TT Pano-roofed sweetie got hit by a meteorite tomorrow I'd either have to find a super low miles 2020 MKZ or accept Ford's wisdom and take a close look at a new Kia or Genesis. To Ford-"Homes don't want my green, homes don't get my green.". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17MKZ3.0TT Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 49 minutes ago, drolds1 said: Ha. My wife gets angry at me when I say those exact words. If I am here for another car, there are still other choices. I was on my way to order a Genesis G70 Sport last year when the Lincoln dealer called and made me an offer I couldn't refuse. IDK if China is a larger and more profitable market for Ford, but they still have a strong demand for sedans. Very true, Back when I had a Caddy STS, I lusted after the "China only" SLS version that was a few inches longer wheelbase and had nicer interior touches and some red LED/clear lens details in the rear. Must be for all those Chinese families driving coast to coast on vacation, that didn't want to squeeze into Buicks. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zondedo Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 There is no mention of power train. Perhaps Ford is leaving their options open? While I like the styling I still much prefer the existing model. Especially the rear end. 17MKZ3.0TT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17MKZ3.0TT Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, Zondedo said: There is no mention of power train. Perhaps Ford is leaving their options open? While I like the styling I still much prefer the existing model. Especially the rear end. I agree. The new front is interesting, but they near ruined the tail end. The side is a little busy, but true to the last Conti sedan. Personally, I got the MKZ because I didn't like the side chrome doodads on the bigger one. Are these going to be built in Mexico or China? Maybe the Chinese Division would be interested in building a plant in the SE United States like some other countries have? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbf2530 Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, 17MKZ3.0TT said: I agree. The new front is interesting, but they near ruined the tail end. The side is a little busy, but true to the last Conti sedan. Personally, I got the MKZ because I didn't like the side chrome doodads on the bigger one. Are these going to be built in Mexico or China? Maybe the Chinese Division would be interested in building a plant in the SE United States like some other countries have? ? Hi 17MKZ. Currently, they will be built in China (if you were seriously wondering?). Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbf2530 Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) Hi gang. And just for some added perspective: It takes ~3-4 years to design, engineer and begin production of a new vehicle. Therefore, it is safe to assume that this concept was already well into at least the design phase (or further) when Lincoln/Ford decided to discontinue selling all cars (except for the Mustang) in the U.S. So this would have been our next MKZ (renamed to Zephyr, as they entirely eliminate the MK naming structure). I would have bought one in a heartbeat. ? Good luck. Edited April 20, 2021 by bbf2530 Robert Iggy Cerami and 17MKZ3.0TT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17MKZ3.0TT Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, bbf2530 said: Hi 17MKZ. Currently, they will be built in China (if you were seriously wondering?). Good luck. Thanks! I was absolutely wondering. I figure it might play into any chances or Ford reconsidering in the future to sell them here, I don't see a long line of people to get a car from the CCP, I agonized long enough over getting one made as a residual of the NAFTA jobs plan. They way the "nice sedan" world is shaping up, it looks like my eventual MKZ replacement car will be a "foreign car" made in the US rather than another domestic name made in a foreign plant. I really love my Z, but nothing last forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusionff Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I'm a lot of years away from replacing my awesome Lincoln, so this gives me hope of a Lincoln sedan as a possible replacement for my Z. And i sure hope it runs on gasoline, and has more horses than 400. 17MKZ3.0TT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimflutes Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Absolutely love this design . This is what SHOULD have been done at the end of the 2013-16 model years , I have the 2016Zh and have not seen another car that I like that would replace it ,. If Lincoln came out with this I would be at the dealership tomorrow ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlee Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I think it's a slap in the face to US consumers and after my 17MKZ kicks the bucket I'll be team Audi or Genesis. Ford stayed afloat by giving us subpar products but yet they specifically cater a car for the Chinese market. Why not have the same love and consideration for the US market? Buick is also guilty of giving China quality while giving us the left overs from the parts bin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multitask Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I just saw that GM has a 'lectric car for China ... and it is cheep... so I guess they will buy anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 The Zephyr concept has been seen around Dearborn. There appears to be some kind of exhaust system seen in the photos, so unless that's a decoy, it doesn't seem to be a BEV. Still probably destined for China only, but I wouldn't be unhappy to find out otherwise. https://fordauthority.com/2021/09/lincoln-zephyr-sedan-spied-driving-around-dearborn/ Zondedo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcgliss Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 On 4/19/2021 at 11:29 AM, leftoverture said: China is a vastly larger and more profitable market for Ford these days, so no surprise they tailor such cars for them. That Ford abandoned the sedan market in the USA will never sit well with me especially since they are still offering sedans in other markets. Alas... I'm old enough that my next vehicle purchase could very well be my last... so I may not be around when they finally shift back the other way. I've felt that same hurt since the 2000's when you could only buy a Fusion wagon (Mondeo) abroad. So, in 2000 left Fords and bought a new Subaru Legacy wagon (5spd). In 2005 we bought the new upgraded Legacy GT wagon (turbo 5spd) that we still love, and in 2012 we bought a used Legacy GT sedan (turbo 5spd) that we still love. That said, we're not Outback buyers (CVT's, fake cladding, stilted handling) so a performance Fusion/MKZ wagon would be the ticket, not a Focus ST or Edge ST. The MKZ is our highway cruiser while the Subaru's are the daily drivers (So Subaru gets our parts business also). Upmarket, the Jaguar XF Sportbrake and Mercedes E400 wagon is what, $80K, leaving headroom for a middle market wagon on an existing platform that could have sold for 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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