leftoverture Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Anyone familiar with this issue/lawsuit? I have been smelling some coolant smell lately when the engine is hot then I read this and makes me wonder if I'm not smelling the beginnings of this issue? My car is a 2014 Mkz just turned 68k miles. Ecoboost Coolant Leak Lawsuit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbf2530 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 19 minutes ago, leftoverture said: Anyone familiar with this issue/lawsuit? I have been smelling some coolant smell lately when the engine is hot then I read this and makes me wonder if I'm not smelling the beginnings of this issue? My car is a 2014 Mkz just turned 68k miles. Ecoboost Coolant Leak Lawsuit Hi leftoverture. Yes, it is a known issue with some 2.0 EcoBoost engines. However, there is no way to diagnose it over the Internet. Have you been monitoring your coolant level? Any drop in the level? Checking your oil for any evidence of water/coolant contamination? There is also the issue that when I Googled "Ford SSM 47204" and took a quick look, it seems the 2014 MKZ is not included in this SSM. However it was a quick look and perhaps I missed it. Keep in mind I am not saying you are not experiencing this problem, only that "Ford SSM 47204" does not include the 2014 MKZ. In my opinion, if you think you have an issue, the best thing you can do is have your MKZ checked by your Lincoln Dealer. Keep us updated and good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftoverture Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share Posted March 21, 2021 Yes, the 2014 Mkz is included from my reading of it. I have not had the rough running except one time when I had remote started the car and came out to find it idling very rough and it had no power. I shut it off, restarted, and it ran find after that. I figured (and maybe still do) that it was an odd electrical glitch. Not trying to diagnose over the internet... just wondering if others are aware of, or have experienced, the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbf2530 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) Hi leftoverture. Several things: First, I understand exactly what you are trying to do. So I let you know what you wanted to know. Yes...many here are aware of this issue. And some have experienced it. So...now I am trying to assist you and advise you as to the best way to have this issue addressed. And my replies do not stop anyone else from jumping in and letting you know if they "are aware of, or have experienced, the issue:. For example, I asked: "Have you been monitoring your coolant level? Any drop in the level? Checking your oil for any evidence of water/coolant contamination?" But you did not answer those questions Doing those checks and answering those questions is where you need to start. Next: From the link you included, these are the vehicles vehicles covered by Ford SSM 47204: 2013-2019 Ford Escape 2013-2019 Ford Fusion 2015-2018 Ford Edge 2017-2019 Lincoln MKC 2017-2019 Lincoln MKZ And these are the other vehicles listed in your link under comparable SSM's and TSB's: SSM 47204 – 2015-2018 Fusion/MKZ/MKC/Escape/Edge SSM 47462 – 2015-2018 Edge, Fusion, Focus, MKZ, MKC, Escape SSM 47625 – 2014-2019 Fusion and 2017-2019 Escape SSM 47849 – 2014-2019 Fusion and 2017-2019 Escape TSB 19-2375 – 2017-2019 Escape; 2014-2019 Fusion TSB 19-2346 – 2015-2018 Edge; 2017-2019 Escape, Fusion; 2017-2019 MKC, MKZ TSB 19B37-S1 – 2017-2019 Escape, Fusion TSB 20-2100 – 2014-2019 Fusion, 2017-2019 Escape TSB 19B37-S3 – 2017-2019 Fusion, Escape SSM 48991 – 2015-2020 F-150/Edge/Fusion, 2016-2018 MKX, 2019-2020 Nautilus, 2017-2020 Continenta Unless I am missing something (hey, it happens), the 2014 MKZ is not listed. If you found another link that lists the 2014 MKZ as being covered under SSM 47204 (or a comparable one), posting it will help. Again, I am not saying you do not have this problem. No one here can determine that either way. Performing the checks I mentioned and posting back is where you need to start. Good luck. Edited March 21, 2021 by bbf2530 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 There's more discussion on this on the Ford Fusion Forum, as not only are there are many more Fusions than there are MKZs, the Fusion was available with 1.5 and 1.6 EB engines in addition to the 2.0 shared with the MKZ and all 3 versions have exhibited the problem. I took a quick glance at the wording of the suit, and it alleges that Ford knew about this problem since 2010 but concealed it from consumers. No one can deny there's a problem, but this family of engines wasn't even available to the public until the 2013MY. So that part's confusing me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbf2530 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, drolds1 said: There's more discussion on this on the Ford Fusion Forum, as not only are there are many more Fusions than there are MKZs, the Fusion was available with 1.5 and 1.6 EB engines in addition to the 2.0 shared with the MKZ and all 3 versions have exhibited the problem. I took a quick glance at the wording of the suit, and it alleges that Ford knew about this problem since 2010 but concealed it from consumers. No one can deny there's a problem, but this family of engines wasn't even available to the public until the 2013MY. So that part's confusing me Hi Art. I noticed that too, but wasn't even going to take that can of worms off the shelf, let alone open it. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftoverture Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share Posted March 21, 2021 22 minutes ago, bbf2530 said: Unless I am missing something (hey, it happens), the 2014 MKZ is not listed. If you found another link that lists the 2014 MKZ as being covered under SSM 47204 (or a comparable one), posting it will help. Actually, it does appear I misread the bulletin. Though I don't know how the 2014 Fusion can be involved and not the 2014 Mkz. What is the difference between the 2.0 in the 2014 Fusion and the 2.0 in the 2014 Mkz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 4 hours ago, bbf2530 said: Hi Art. I noticed that too, but wasn't even going to take that can of worms off the shelf, let alone open it. ? ? Can't help myself. I used to write decisions for SSA Administrative Law Judges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbf2530 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 11 hours ago, leftoverture said: Actually, it does appear I misread the bulletin. Though I don't know how the 2014 Fusion can be involved and not the 2014 Mkz. What is the difference between the 2.0 in the 2014 Fusion and the 2.0 in the 2014 Mkz? Hi leftoverture. I do not know the differences, or why the 2014 MKZ is not included in the SSM. Perhaps one of our tech members will be able to jump in and help you with that information. Keep us updated and good luck. leftoverture 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zondedo Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 This does not make me happy. The reason I chose a 2.0 Eco boost is because of how many of them are out there and because I thought it was tried and true. A friend of mine that owns a service garage also vouched for the engine saying repairs are minimal and that it was a good platform. How many people here are actually having coolant level issues? Hopefully Ford will revise the design and recall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftoverture Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share Posted March 21, 2021 6 hours ago, Zondedo said: This does not make me happy. The reason I chose a 2.0 Eco boost is because of how many of them are out there and because I thought it was tried and true. A friend of mine that owns a service garage also vouched for the engine saying repairs are minimal and that it was a good platform. How many people here are actually having coolant level issues? Hopefully Ford will revise the design and recall Well, at least you should still be in warranty if something does happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbf2530 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, Zondedo said: This does not make me happy. The reason I chose a 2.0 Eco boost is because of how many of them are out there and because I thought it was tried and true. A friend of mine that owns a service garage also vouched for the engine saying repairs are minimal and that it was a good platform. How many people here are actually having coolant level issues? Hopefully Ford will revise the design and recall Hi Zondedo. It is a good platform/engine and is not a widespread problem. A small percentage of those engine blocks actually produced have the defect/issue. And the manufacturing issue that caused the defect in a small percentage of the affected vehicles has already been corrected. Not to get into a long discussion about what leads to and constitutes a "recall", but it is highly unlikely there will be a "recall". Affected vehicles/engines will be addressed if/when a problem occurs. We also need to keep in mind that we (and leftoverture) do not even know if his MKZ has this issue. At this point, it is only the thought that there was a "smell of coolant" that lead to this thread. I am not making any judgment as to whether there is/isn't a problem with is vehicle, only presenting the facts we know so far. Perhaps when he has a chance, leftoverture can perform the checks we advised in the earlier replies ("Have you been monitoring your coolant level? Any drop in the level? Checking your oil for any evidence of water/coolant contamination?") and post back with any observations. Also, any white smoke out of the exhaust while driving? This information may help determine what is going on, if anything. So in the meantime...keep an eye on your coolant and oil levels for level/loss and contamination. In reality, those are maintenance chores all drivers should be doing anyway, although many/most do not. Let us know how you make out and good luck. Edited March 22, 2021 by bbf2530 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zondedo Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Thanks for shedding some light on the matter. Based on what you are saying, the issue is caused by a specific quality defect and is not necessarily an overall design problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbf2530 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 52 minutes ago, Zondedo said: Thanks for shedding some light on the matter. Based on what you are saying, the issue is caused by a specific quality defect and is not necessarily an overall design problem. Hi Zondedo. Correct. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftoverture Posted March 23, 2021 Author Share Posted March 23, 2021 Well... not to be argumentative here, but the lawsuit actually does allege a design flaw: According to the Ford EcoBoost class action lawsuit, the engines have inadequate seals on the cylinder heads and grooves where the cylinder heads attach to the engine blocks. Coolant allegedly enters through the grooves where it pools and degrades the gasket seals and causes coolant to leak into the cylinders. I, of course, don't know the facts, only what the article I read is alleging. But the malfunction description above is taken from the article about the lawsuit and has to do with how the engine is designed not how it is manufactured. As with many of these cases, only a small number of engines may actually experience any failure, but because the cost to the owner is so significant, they tend to get alot of visibility. These days, it is hard to find any vehicle that doesn't have some "inherent flaw" that is the subject of lawsuits and forum discussions like this. So you kind of have to take all of it in and assess your own tolerance for risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbf2530 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Hi leftoverture. I understand you are not trying to be argumentative (neither am I). And also understand what you are saying. And I also read and understand what the lawsuit alleges. A lawsuit can "allege" anything. However, this is a known issue, and it is not an "overall design flaw" (as Zondedo was worried about). Perhaps our definitions of "design flaw" or "overall design flaw" vary, but the issue has been long discussed by those who have been regulars around the forums. It is not news, and we get our information from expert sources, not law firms looking to earn a large contingency fee. On a related note, have you any further information concerning what you were asked previously? Have you been monitoring your coolant level? Any drop in the level? Checking your oil for any evidence of water/coolant contamination? Any contamination? Get back to us with that information when you have checked, and good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftoverture Posted March 23, 2021 Author Share Posted March 23, 2021 18 hours ago, bbf2530 said: Get back to us with that information when you have checked, and good luck. Thank you for your continued concern for my situation. I can give this update: so far there is no evidence of oil contamination. I have replaced the radiator cap (coolant tank cap actually). This will assure proper cooling system pressure and, of course, eliminate any coolant odor from a leaky o-ring. It will take some time to monitor for coolant loss but I am watching. Hopefully when I finally get home tonight I will pull in the garage and find no coolant odor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftoverture Posted March 26, 2021 Author Share Posted March 26, 2021 So far, no more coolant odor since I put on the new cap! TomV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbf2530 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 hour ago, leftoverture said: So far, no more coolant odor since I put on the new cap! Hi leftoverture. Well, that's good news. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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