2.0 liter engine?

[bnewt]

Looking to buy mkz, but think this engine is too small

Looking for help from actual owners

Would prefer the 3.0 instead

 

All replies appreciated 

[Zalvern]

Too small as in not enough power? That'll be a personal opinion best to discover by experience. What I suggest is to rent a MKZ or Ford Fusion 2.0T for a day to feel free to unwind on it in a preferred manner.

 

To mention preferring the 3.0T however, tells me its probably best to stick with what the heart is set on. Do not "settle" on a luxury grade vehicle, as it is better to just wait and continue saving up instead.

[drolds1]

It depends on what you're looking for and what kind of driving you do. The 2.0 is adequate for probably 99% of drivers.  The overwhelming majority of MKZs that I see are 2.0-powered.   I'm on my second 3.0 AWD.  I wouldn't have anything else but that's a personal decision.    I've driven plenty of 2.0 loaners.  No comparison.  What are your priorities? 

Edited August 15, 2020 by drolds1

[fusionff]

You already answered your own question, you prefer an MKZ with the 3.0 engine.

 

When I get a loaner with the 2.0, I miss the 3.0 power within a few minutes.

[rubyinla]

Can you say "yawn"?  245 @ 5500 horse power in a 4000 pound vehicle. 

 

I soooo miss my 300 hp EB Mustang for the horse power.  Zero to 85 by the top of the freeway on ramp.  My hybrid???  0 to 85mph... sometime today.   I know it's not the same.  But 2.0 in a 4k car equals slow.

 

If you are impatient in the slightest and don't really watch mpg dump the 2.0 idea.

[Multitask]

My MKZ-H gets on the freeway just fine... and 42mpg too boot....

but if you need to get on the freeway much faster, then 18mpg is what you need.  ?

[Izzy3906]

Hello, I have a 2014 MKZ 2.0  and yes the 3.0 engine sure has more power obviously.

It still has good response for a small engine.

Don't underestimate the power of the 2.0.

It's faster than a Yugo LOL.

[Chris109]

As you get older, you will find that getting better mileage helps on the stress of getting out of the car to fill up the tank.  Less times = less bone creak.

 

As for high speed merge?   Who cares?  Most of the other cars ahead of you are poking along anyway.  That is, unless you're near NYC/Joisey.  Those drivers are all bastards.

Edited August 17, 2020 by Chris109

[kramf411]

6 minutes ago, Chris109 said:

 That is, unless you're near NYC/Joisey.  Those drivers are all bastards.

?yeah that ?

[fusionff]

1 hour ago, Chris109 said:

That is, unless you're near NYC/Joisey.  Those drivers are all bastards.

 

Hey man, I resemble that remark.  ?

[drolds1]

3 hours ago, Chris109 said:

As you get older, you will find that getting better mileage helps on the stress of getting out of the car to fill up the tank.  Less times = less bone creak.

 

As for high speed merge?   Who cares?  Most of the other cars ahead of you are poking along anyway.  That is, unless you're near NYC/Joisey.  Those drivers are all bastards.

I'm older.  It hasn't happened yet.?

 

I guess you've never driven in MA.?

[Multitask]

8 hours ago, drolds1 said:

I'm older.  It hasn't happened yet.?

 

I guess you've never driven in MA.?

 

I'm 64 almost 65, I almost lived in MA, but it was snowing very baddly when I was offered a job there... so I turned it down...  ? (1991 I think)

[JimF]

10 hours ago, drolds1 said:

I'm older.  It hasn't happened yet.?

 

I guess you've never driven in MA.?

Same here. Older, but more than willing to pay extra for 93 octane to get every last bit out of the 3.0. ?

 

Here in southern NH, if you are doing 10 mph over the speed limit, you're being passed by most everyone. Well, except for the left lane speed enforcing idiots who you have to try to pass on the right. ?

[Chris109]

13 hours ago, JimF said:

Same here. Older, but more than willing to pay extra for 93 octane to get every last bit out of the 3.0. ?

 

Here in southern NH, if you are doing 10 mph over the speed limit, you're being passed by most everyone. Well, except for the left lane speed enforcing idiots who you have to try to pass on the right. ?

 

Lemme guess.  Are they the ones who are just shy of the century mark, driving alone, and wearing a mask?

[Chris109]

On 8/17/2020 at 10:05 AM, fusionff said:

 

Hey man, I resemble that remark.  ?

 

Oh, so it's people like you who wouldn't let me merge onto 287 from 87.

 

 

 

[Chris109]

On 8/17/2020 at 10:33 PM, JimF said:

Same here. Older, but more than willing to pay extra for 93 octane to get every last bit out of the 3.0. ?

 

 

Dunno about the 3.0, but I thought only 89 octane was to be used.  Or is that just the hybrid?  I remember I used 93 for a trip, and the car jerked and coughed until I could get up to speed on a highway.

[bbf2530]

19 minutes ago, Chris109 said:

 

Dunno about the 3.0, but I thought only 89 octane was to be used.  Or is that just the hybrid?  I remember I used 93 for a trip, and the car jerked and coughed until I could get up to speed on a highway.

 

Hi Chris. In the second generation MKZ's, 87 octane is the minimum that can be used. You can use mid-grade (89-91) or premium (91-93) if you wish, for improved performance. If you had stumbling after filling up with 93 octane, it was due to bad gas or some other reason, not octane rating.

 

Good luck.

[drolds1]

5 hours ago, bbf2530 said:

 

Hi Chris. In the second generation MKZ's, 87 octane is the minimum that can be used. You can use mid-grade (89-91) or premium (91-93) if you wish, for improved performance. If you had stumbling after filling up with 93 octane, it was due to bad gas or some other reason, not octane rating.

 

Good luck.

In fact, the 2.0 can only reach its advertised hp rating on 91+ octane fuel.

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Updated 2.0L GTDI I-4: 245 horsepower (using 93-octane fuel); 275 lb.-ft. of torque (using 93-octane fuel); 21 city/31 hwy mpg.

 

[bbf2530]

4 hours ago, drolds1 said:

In fact, the 2.0 can only reach its advertised hp rating on 91+ octane fuel.

 

 

Hi Art. Was in a hurry this morning, but that was what I was stating, in a convoluted way. Full HP rating (I wrote "improved performance") is obtained with premium fuel.

 

So Chris109's stumbling problem was not caused by using 93 octane. It was either bad gas or another problem.

 

Good luck.

Edited August 19, 2020 by bbf2530

[Multitask]

Hmm, I wonder if I can get better performance with the 100 octane I know about near me.... 

[JimF]

36 minutes ago, Multitask said:

Hmm, I wonder if I can get better performance with the 100 octane I know about near me.... 

LOL, but no, not with a hybrid. The 3.0 is a totally different animal, however. With 93 octane (or better) you get 400 hp and 400 lb-ft torque, with 87 octane the hp and torque are reduced due to engine management logic. Enough so that you can definitely feel the difference in acceleration within two tanks of gas.

[drolds1]

7 hours ago, bbf2530 said:

 

Hi Art. Was in a hurry this morning, but that was what I was stating, in a convoluted way. Full HP rating (I wrote "improved performance") is obtained with premium fuel.

 

So Chris109's stumbling problem was not caused by using 93 octane. It was either bad gas or another problem.

 

Good luck.

Yes. I was sort of seconding your point that it couldn't have been the 93 octane fuel since the engine is tuned by Ford engineers to perform better on it.

[Chris109]

5 hours ago, drolds1 said:

Yes. I was sort of seconding your point that it couldn't have been the 93 octane fuel since the engine is tuned by Ford engineers to perform better on it.

 

Now, that I think about it, I'm not sure if it happened in my '13 or the '17.  And it may have happened twice.   I'm heading to the Land of Make Believe (R2D2 country) soon and would rather not take the chance.  Manual suggests 87, and that's what I've been using.

Edited August 20, 2020 by Chris109

[bbf2530]

2 hours ago, Chris109 said:

 

Now, that I think about it, I'm not sure if it happened in my '13 or the '17.  And it may have happened twice.   I'm heading to the Land of Make Believe (R2D2 country) soon and would rather not take the chance.  Manual suggests 87, and that's what I've been using.

 

Hi Chris. No harm in using Regular/87 octane. It is also what I use most of the time. And I stick to major, name brand fuel. No off brand, no name, convenience store fuels. That is very important.

 

Just to make one point clear though. What the Owners Manual states is that 87 octane/Regular is the minimum octane rating that can be used. Using less than 87 octane fuel can cause anything from rough running to engine issues/damage.

 

However, using 89, 91 or 93 octane is not "taking a chance". The engine management system is tuned to run anything from 87 to 93 octane. And it will give the maximum, advertised power (what the brochures etc. state) with 93 octane fuel. This is also explained in the Owners Manual. Using less than 93 octane will simply result in a slight dial back of maximum HP/Torque. Just do not use less than 87 octane fuel.

 

But generally speaking, maximum power is no big deal unless we are racing our cars.

 

Bottom line is the quality of the gas is extremely important. If your stumbling was caused by a fuel issue, it was due to fuel quality, not fuel octane.

 

As I said, I also use 87 octane/Regular most of the time, so I am not trying to talk you into using higher octane. Just making the information available.

 

Good luck.

Edited August 20, 2020 by bbf2530

[bbf2530]

8 hours ago, drolds1 said:

Yes. I was sort of seconding your point that it couldn't have been the 93 octane fuel since the engine is tuned by Ford engineers to perform better on it.

 

Hi Art. Just wanted to let you know I wasn't losing my marbles...yet. ?