Lincoln lowers fuel economy numbers for 2013/2014 MKZ hybrids -

[Davisjl]

Have fun as you just didn't answer my question as posted. I've wasted enough time as you're just screwing around and not giving a direct answer. Enjoy your $1,050 as there's more being paid out. You sold yourself cheaply.

I plan on using that $ 1,050 to buy something on Amazon, I've never trusted Ebay... ;)

 

BTW, I have fun every day I drive my car... YMMV.

Edited July 24, 2014 by Davisjl

[Mark95man]

As I first stated, when a Company gets caught in a bad situation, they do damage control. They hire a Public Relations firm to counter forum entries like mine. Company employees and Dealerships also do damage control in the same way. Then there are  those who purchased the product but loved the Company's resolution of $1,050. In the end, all of them attack the person who is unhappy with the item they purchased.

 

This MKZ Hybrid isn't my first rodeo. Back in 1999 I filed a Lemon Law Compliant on my Corvette. GM lawyers said I wasn't a certified Corvette mechanic. Interesting as I won the case and the TSB issued was what I found. On my new replacement 2001 Corvette, that car had an issue. Again I had to file a Lemon Law Compliant and won again with a TSB issued on what I found. While the MKZ Hybrid "Not As Described" issue is NOT a safety concern, there are "things" one can do in a timely manner.

 

Too bad many owners were "thrilled" with the $1,050 settlement. I wonder if they researched how that number was reached? I know and was going to share that information but some were just too over joyed with the $1,050 settlement. When word gets around on what I got, they'll claim he's just a lair and misrepresented his settlement. In the end bad press on a so called EPA MPG "error" or "mistake" could have been handled better. Those of us who purchased the misrepresented vehicle AFTER Lincoln was fully aware of the problem can and should be very pissed off.

[Mark95man]

As to YMMV--that's doesn't count as it's based upon Manufacturers error in EPA testing!

Edited July 25, 2014 by Mark95man

[Davisjl]

As I first stated, when a Company gets caught in a bad situation, they do damage control. They hire a Public Relations firm to counter forum entries like mine. Company employees and Dealerships also do damage control in the same way. Then there are  those who purchased the product but loved the Company's resolution of $1,050. In the end, all of them attack the person who is unhappy with the item they purchased.

 

This MKZ Hybrid isn't my first rodeo. Back in 1999 I filed a Lemon Law Compliant on my Corvette. GM lawyers said I wasn't a certified Corvette mechanic. Interesting as I won the case and the TSB issued was what I found. On my new replacement 2001 Corvette, that car had an issue. Again I had to file a Lemon Law Compliant and won again with a TSB issued on what I found. While the MKZ Hybrid "Not As Described" issue is NOT a safety concern, there are "things" one can do in a timely manner.

 

Too bad many owners were "thrilled" with the $1,050 settlement. I wonder if they researched how that number was reached? I know and was going to share that information but some were just too over joyed with the $1,050 settlement. When word gets around on what I got, they'll claim he's just a lair and misrepresented his settlement. In the end bad press on a so called EPA MPG "error" or "mistake" could have been handled better. Those of us who purchased the misrepresented vehicle AFTER Lincoln was fully aware of the problem can and should be very pissed off.

I really don't understand your point.

 

My post was to your question on Why others don't feel like you. I answered it. If you buy a car that you KNOW gets 38 miles per gallon even though it is listed at 45... and you decided the feature set/price is worth the difference, and then on the back side you get an additional 1,050.00... Most will be happy. To put it bluntly... My car is performing in EXACTLY the manner in which I expected it to perform.

 

I have acknowledge that you are not happy and you have every right to keep fighting for what you want to make you happy... but don't expect the rest of the world that had the foresight to check the real world numbers and make an better informed decision than you follow in your footsteps. I don't think anywhere in the tread I attacked you... could be wrong, but that was not my intent.

 

<Sarcasm>It sounds like GM is pretty happy you are no longer buying their cars. Go try one of those German cars and see how you get treated.</Sarcasm>

 

I just traded a 2011 Audi A4 that needed a new engine due to a known issue with the installation of incorrect piston sizes... While Audi/VW has/had knowledge of this issue, they claimed that burning a quart of oil every 500 to 1000 miles was "normal" and expected. When this issue scored the cylinder walls of my Audi (mind you it had every service completed by the Audi dealership with full records), they walked away from it saying it was past the warranty period... Now, I put 30,000 miles per year on my car so wait and see what kind of crap Audi/VW will be in, in about 3-5 years when all these 2.0 turbo engines start failing... (btw, Audi has just recently very quietly started to replace the pistons of known cars while not saying there is an issue).

 

Ford has made an offer to it's owners and in my view it is/was a fair offer. You obviously feel differently, but you were taking that 45 mpg as fact and most of us were not. You situation is going to be different than most others out there. Go fight your fight... and you getting more than the $ 1,050, I think that is absolutely wonderful; However, if you can't understand why most of us that KNEW it only got 38 mpg are happy to take an additional $ 1,050 dollars, then there is not much else to say.

 

Point of clarification... I was not honest in what I posted above... my car is not performing EXACTLY as I expected. It's getting around 41mpg for the life of the car so far, so it is performing about 8% better than expected ;)

Edited July 25, 2014 by Davisjl

[Davisjl]

As to YMMV--that's doesn't count as it's based upon Manufacturers error in EPA testing!

Had you checked the real world numbers you would have seen that YM(will)V... ;)

[Mark95man]

Had you checked the real world numbers you would have seen that YM(will)V... ;)

 

The real world? Do you mean what owners posted? On these Lincoln Club Websites, I noticed lots of exaggerated claims. Most forums on this subject, the entries tend to go from one extreme to another. I loved the one that stated the owner drove over 75 MPH and got 45 MPG! A mix of hard right footed drivers vs how the car was designed to be driven. Total hit or miss on finding the correct information. Been there and read that!

[KenZ]

The real world? Do you mean what owners posted? On these Lincoln Club Websites, I noticed lots of exaggerated claims. Most forums on this subject, the entries tend to go from one extreme to another. I loved the one that stated the owner drove over 75 MPH and got 45 MPG! A mix of hard right footed drivers vs how the car was designed to be driven. Total hit or miss on finding the correct information. Been there and read that!

 

Hmmmm.... you mean exaggerated claims like "I love it as you always miss the point that WE ALWAYS obtained more EPA MPG on our cars"?  To me, that seems very exaggerated since I have never gotten above the EPA gas mileage numbers.   Even with the MKZ, I was not getting the 45MPG EPA numbers, although I am now well over the 38MPG adjusted EPA numbers.  

 

FWIW, yesterday I did a 100+ mile trip and drove like an idiot.   Constantly changing lanes, running at or above the speed limit, speeding up and slowing down, jackrabbit starts and slamming the brakes last minute at any stoplights I encountered.  Blew my driving coach numbers all to hell.  According to the dash, I got roughly 36 MPG like many people report.  Personally, I will go back to driving like a normal person and averaging around the 42-44 MPG mark.  

[Davisjl]

The real world? Do you mean what owners posted? On these Lincoln Club Websites, I noticed lots of exaggerated claims. Most forums on this subject, the entries tend to go from one extreme to another. I loved the one that stated the owner drove over 75 MPH and got 45 MPG! A mix of hard right footed drivers vs how the car was designed to be driven. Total hit or miss on finding the correct information. Been there and read that!

You can't look at one set of numbers from one source and find "definitive" info. It's a process of looking at many sources. When you bought the car did you only look at the sticker price to determine what you'd pay for the car or did you look up what the invoice was... available dealer rebates... what others were paying on Edmunds/KBB/Truecar ?

 

 

There are many sites that track or test real world numbers... some are:

 

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=browseList

http://www.fuelly.com/ (This is the one I find most usable for more current cars)

https://www.truedelta.com/

http://www.intellichoice.com/real-mpg.html (This is the most "scientific", but I find it to be one of the more "Optimistic" calculators)

http://www.consumerreports.org/

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2013/10/real-world-mpg-fuel-economy-database.html

 

To go along with all that, you have Edmunds forums/reviews, Kelly Blue Book forums/reviews, and MoterTrend forums/reviews. Most reviews give their experience with the MPG for their test drives. I think when I did my research on the MKz I found Fuelly to have the most data on the Lincoln, but a lot of my data came from reading reviews from MoterTrend/Edmunds/KBB... I also took the car out on a test drive for about 15 or 20 minutes and reset the MPG computer and drove it like I normally would and could see that it was getting 39-41. That's a short test that could have lots of flaws, but it's a good confirmation of the other data I took in which was showing that the large majority were not getting 45 mpg.

 

The fine print of the sticker EPA MPG says that the mileage will vary for many reasons. Now, that doesn't give Ford a pass on posting bad numbers, which they are paying a good will payment (fine) to the owners for doing... however, as a purchaser the EPA sticker MPG is just one data set to look at and compare to other data sets out there. If you go by EPA MPG you will get burned.

 

The fact that you have owned Fords in the past and never got lower than the stated EPA MPG shows that Ford isn't typically screwing with the numbers. I think you'd find you are in the minority to be able to say that...

 

Bottom line, you used the sticker EPA MPG to determine your purchase and Ford misrepresented that number. As I have said before, you have every right to try and seek a compensation that makes you whole. In fact, I would encourage you to do so... however, a large majority of us knew what the real MPG were so it is hard for us to say that we were mislead. Getting an additional $ 1,050.00 without having to make a single phone call or dealership visit to complain is a very good deal for us. Each person will have to determine what is right for them... for me, the $ 1,050.00 is a fair settlement.

 

As I have also said before, if you'd like help in getting some of that data on your next purchase, let me know. I'd be happy to do what I can to help you make a more informed decision.

Edited July 26, 2014 by Davisjl

[Mark95man]

Hmmmm.... you mean exaggerated claims like "I love it as you always miss the point that WE ALWAYS obtained more EPA MPG on our cars"?  To me, that seems very exaggerated since I have never gotten above the EPA gas mileage numbers.   Even with the MKZ, I was not getting the 45MPG EPA numbers, although I am now well over the 38MPG adjusted EPA numbers.  

 

FWIW, yesterday I did a 100+ mile trip and drove like an idiot.   Constantly changing lanes, running at or above the speed limit, speeding up and slowing down, jackrabbit starts and slamming the brakes last minute at any stoplights I encountered.  Blew my driving coach numbers all to hell.  According to the dash, I got roughly 36 MPG like many people report.  Personally, I will go back to driving like a normal person and averaging around the 42-44 MPG mark.  

 

Glad to see you're still here! Speaking about exaggerated claims--as in"An update on the flat tire and my Lincoln experience.   There was no charge for the new tire and no charge for the new cartridge to put in the tire pump."

 

Did you actually purchase that costly tire insurance that Dealerships push on buyers? You have yet to answer, so what's was the real deal?

Edited July 26, 2014 by Mark95man

[Mark95man]

You can't look at one set of numbers from one source and find "definitive" info. It's a process of looking at many sources. When you bought the car did you only look at the sticker price to determine what you'd pay for the car or did you look up what the invoice was... available dealer rebates... what others were paying on Edmunds/KBB/Truecar ?

 

 

There are many sites that track or test real world numbers... some are:

 

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=browseList

http://www.fuelly.com/ (This is the one I find most usable for more current cars)

https://www.truedelta.com/

http://www.intellichoice.com/real-mpg.html (This is the most "scientific", but I find it to be one of the more "Optimistic" calculators)

http://www.consumerreports.org/

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2013/10/real-world-mpg-fuel-economy-database.html

 

To go along with all that, you have Edmunds forums/reviews, Kelly Blue Book forums/reviews, and MoterTrend forums/reviews. Most reviews give their experience with the MPG for their test drives. I think when I did my research on the MKz I found Fuelly to have the most data on the Lincoln, but a lot of my data came from reading reviews from MoterTrend/Edmunds/KBB... I also took the car out on a test drive for about 15 or 20 minutes and reset the MPG computer and drove it like I normally would and could see that it was getting 39-41. That's a short test that could have lots of flaws, but it's a good confirmation of the other data I took in which was showing that the large majority were not getting 45 mpg.

 

The fine print of the sticker EPA MPG says that the mileage will vary for many reasons. Now, that doesn't give Ford a pass on posting bad numbers, which they are paying a good will payment (fine) to the owners for doing... however, as a purchaser the EPA sticker MPG is just one data set to look at and compare to other data sets out there. If you go by EPA MPG you will get burned.

 

The fact that you have owned Fords in the past and never got lower than the stated EPA MPG shows that Ford isn't typically screwing with the numbers. I think you'd find you are in the minority to be able to say that...

 

Bottom line, you used the sticker EPA MPG to determine your purchase and Ford misrepresented that number. As I have said before, you have every right to try and seek a compensation that makes you whole. In fact, I would encourage you to do so... however, a large majority of us knew what the real MPG were so it is hard for us to say that we were mislead. Getting an additional $ 1,050.00 without having to make a single phone call or dealership visit to complain is a very good deal for us. Each person will have to determine what is right for them... for me, the $ 1,050.00 is a fair settlement.

 

As I have also said before, if you'd like help in getting some of that data on your next purchase, let me know. I'd be happy to do what I can to help you make a more informed decision.

 

 

RE: "Bottom line, you used the sticker EPA MPG to determine your purchase and Ford misrepresented that number." Total agreement on that! And you're just going to settle for $1,050.

 

RE: "As I have also said before, if you'd like help in getting some of that data on your next purchase, let me know. I'd be happy to do what I can to help you make a more informed decision." No thanks as you also got screwed with a MKZ Hybrid. Mostly likely, I've purchased far more NEW cars than you and NEVER had a situation like this.

 

AGAIN I'll state the issue as YOU don't understand what it is: On THE day we purchased this MKZ Hybrid, Lincoln HAD FULL KNOWLEDGE of this misrepresentation on the "Not As Described" MKZ Hybrid. Lincoln dragged their feet on their announcement of this false information. IF Lincoln has been HONEST and did a release of this FALSE TESTING DATA, I wouldn't have purchased this vehicle. That's on Lincoln and NOT me! Lincoln researched and found a low ball figure of $1,050 to buy off those who do not challenge anything in life.

 

Just keep up placing the blame on me and your stupid offer of assistance on future purchases.

[Davisjl]

RE: "As I have also said before, if you'd like help in getting some of that data on your next purchase, let me know. I'd be happy to do what I can to help you make a more informed decision." No thanks as you also got screwed with a MKZ Hybrid. Mostly likely, I've purchased far more NEW cars than you and NEVER had a situation like this.

I didn't get screwed as I knew what the MPG was prior to buying the vehicle and calculated that into my comparison of other cars. The Lincoln won hands down not even close to the other cars I looked at... In fact, in my pre-purchase calculation I used 35 mpg not the re-rated EPA MPG of 38. In reality, so for I'm getting over 40... so far I'm WAY ahead.

 

As for the number of new cars... I buy a new car for myself every 3 years for work as I get over 30,000 miles per year on the car. We don't keep cars past 100k typically. So far for myself, I've bought 8 new cars in my life time plus helped sales guys at my work buy another 16 new cars (running all the data). If you have purchased more than that as you have said... then you should have been a seasoned expert and knew to check other numbers than the EPA MPG... I'd say you were very fortunate to have never experienced a lower MPG than the EPA stated number on the sticker. You've stated that you have purchased 10 new Ford vehicles and NEVER gotten less than the sticker MPG, to me that show case that Ford typically does not tinker with the MPG sticker rating... Knowing that makes me feel even better about Ford.

 

I calculate "True cost of ownership" True cost of ownership includse the insurance cost, fuel cost, expected depreciation, maintenance cost, and expected repair cost to go along with the sale price. Most of which can now be found on Edmunds and KBB, but many years ago this was a real pain in the ass to put together.

 

AGAIN I'll state the issue as YOU don't understand what it is: On THE day we purchased this MKZ Hybrid, Lincoln HAD FULL KNOWLEDGE of this misrepresentation on the "Not As Described" MKZ Hybrid. Lincoln dragged their feet on their announcement of this false information. IF Lincoln has been HONEST and did a release of this FALSE TESTING DATA, I wouldn't have purchased this vehicle. That's on Lincoln and NOT me! Lincoln researched and found a low ball figure of $1,050 to buy off those who do not challenge anything in life.

I have already acknowledge all that previous, maybe you should re-read what has been posted.

 

Just keep up placing the blame on me and your stupid offer of assistance on future purchases.

Again, try to work on your reading comprehension skills... I've NEVER blamed you. I have said OVER AND OVER AND OVER again you have EVERY right to seek whatever compensation you feel makes you whole. I have AGREED that Ford KNEW the MPG was WRONG and used it anyway.

 

Let me make it clear for you AGAIN:

 

1. Ford used invalid EPA MPG numbers with Knowledge of it being wrong.

2. Ford should pay a penalty for using false numbers

3. You have every right to fight for whatever it is that you feel will make you whole.

4. I have every right to accept the $ 1,050.00 to make me whole.

 

The last few post I have made are to your question on to WHY others do not feel like you... however, you can't seem to comprehend that your view is not what others have.

 

Bottom line for me is that I am an honest and fair person. I had full knowledge of what the actual MPG was PRIOR to purchase, so I have no argument for any damages and I have none. As such, I'm not going to lie and scheme to Ford to try and get more money as that would just be wrong and no better than what Ford did in using bad numbers with knowledge. As a penalty for using bad numbers, I am happy to accept Ford's $ 1,050.00 and move on.

Edited July 26, 2014 by Davisjl

[SteveB_TX]

Give it up guys.  This guy (m95m) only joined this forum to whine about the EPA numbers.  He is here (and in other forums) to try to convince himself he is right, and to convince EVERYONE ELSE they are wrong and stupid.  I for one am glad I found the IGNORE option in the forums, so I don't have to see any more of his drivel.  :)

[drolds1]

Actually I had the money to purchase a matched pair of left and right .45 pistols. No issues with these as they shoot as designed with no problem at all. It's fun to watch the reaction of others as they think the left handed .45 will pull to the right. They were worth the cost unlike the "Not As Described" 2014 MKZ Hybrid.

 

What fools you guys are as I joined before the June 13, 2014 Lincoln announcement. You couldn't even get that correct! Darn, now I'm correcting you!

OK, we get your point.  You're unhappy. 

 

 

Lets all agree to disagree and move on.

[KenZ]

Glad to see you're still here! Speaking about exaggerated claims--as in"An update on the flat tire and my Lincoln experience.   There was no charge for the new tire and no charge for the new cartridge to put in the tire pump."

 

Did you actually purchase that costly tire insurance that Dealerships push on buyers? You have yet to answer, so what's was the real deal?

 

Went back and re-read that post.  There were statements, but not really see a question in there, so I did not answer.    I will answer here since the question is here...

 

Nope, did not buy tire insurance.  It was not even offered, if I remember correctly.  I remember being offered Lo-jack, I remember being offered some sort of glass chipping windshield coverage.  Did not get that on the Lincoln, but wished I had it on the Wrangler after a rock (or something) got thrown up at me.  That mostly vertical windshield on Wranglers are a magnet for rocks.  I did buy a couple of the insurances.

 

I did buy the Key Replacement coverage.   It offers a couple other good benefits along with the key replacement.  It was $234.  On my last car, an Acura, I lost the key while hiking on vacation out west - and the nearest Acura dealer was 200+ miles away.  They wanted $795 and 2-3 days to get me a replacement.  It cost me well over that $234 in lost time, having my neighbor FedEx me my other set of keys from home, an additional overnight stay in a place I was not planning on staying, etc, etc.   I did not bother replacing the lost key since I had another, but ended up paying for it when I went to trade in the car.  Every place I went was going to deduct the charge for a replacement key on the trade-in.  Even one of those places that just buys cars was going to dock me for only having one key.   Like any insurance, it's there, I hope I never need it.

 

I bought the Paintless Dent coverage.  It was $230.   Used it twice already on the MKZ on large car door dings/dents from parking lots.  Cost of both repairs would have totaled $400+ if I paid the invoice.  Had it on the Acura but never needed it.

 

I bought the Car Sealant Coverage.  It was $495.  I am not big on washing or waxing.  If it is going to rain, I just put the car outside and let mother nature do the work.  It also covers interior stains.  On leather interiors they don't treat anything, they just offer coverage.   Had it on the Acura and used it.  They had to recover/replace the front drivers seat after my predisposition to wearing red shirts (go Georgia Dawgs) left the taupe leather seat a light pink that would not come off.  It was a couple years ago, but if I remember correctly, the parts and labor on that were well over $1000 if I had paid the invoice.                 

 

Not sure why they did not charge me for the tire or cartridge.  I wondered if maybe it was because they did not have the tire in stock and it took almost two days to get the car back to me.  They were very busy and I told them it was no rush.  I did not ever call or harass or whine or complain, they had given me a cool car to drive in the meantime so I was happy.  When I went in to pick it up,  I literally walked up to the podium he was at, pulled out my wallet and said "What do I owe you", and he said "don't worry about it, I covered it" and he handed me the key.  I put my wallet away and asked if there was anything to sign and he said "nope".  That was about it.   Its a small dealership in a small town, maybe that's it.  I wonder if my salesman might have had something to do with it.  When they brought the car into the dealer on the flatbed, I guess he saw it and then saw me get out of the truck - as he came rushing out to find out what was going on.   I have an MKC on order (due in August) so I am sure he was concerned!  When I was looking at the MKC, I remember that I asked him if it had a real spare tire and he did not even know so we went out and looked at one they had on the lot.  It does!  I remember joking with him that I did not even consider asking that question on the MKZ, because I never realized cars would come without one!  

 

If I can figure out how to do it, I am attaching a pic of what they found in the tire.  This had gone completely thru the sidewall and was inside.  I originally thought it was a sidewall blow-out since there was nothing sticking out of the tire.

 

Pretty much all I know.     

[KenZ]

Give it up guys.  This guy (m95m) only joined this forum to whine about the EPA numbers.  He is here (and in other forums) to try to convince himself he is right, and to convince EVERYONE ELSE they are wrong and stupid.  I for one am glad I found the IGNORE option in the forums, so I don't have to see any more of his drivel.  :)

 

Oh, but his drivel is so much fun.  I honestly look forward to his rants.  He is like discussing issues with a tea-party zealot or ultra-liberal.  He has his mind made up and nothing you say, however rational, will sway him.  Some folks just like to complain.  To me, life is too short.   I just go with the flow.   Now, I do worry about the big stuff, like getting my discount on my coffee at Dunkin' Donuts.    And whether or not my free sample of the Fiber One Cookie was in my Sunday paper this morning like the overwrap said it would.  It wasn't and I complained.  Like I said, big stuff.  

[hermans]

You have found the secret to life.

[Davisjl]

Oh, but his drivel is so much fun.  I honestly look forward to his rants.  He is like discussing issues with a tea-party zealot or ultra-liberal.  He has his mind made up and nothing you say, however rational, will sway him.  Some folks just like to complain.  To me, life is too short.   I just go with the flow.   Now, I do worry about the big stuff, like getting my discount on my coffee at Dunkin' Donuts.    And whether or not my free sample of the Fiber One Cookie was in my Sunday paper this morning like the overwrap said it would.  It wasn't and I complained.  Like I said, big stuff.

My cookie was there.... and it's the first paper that didn't go straight in the trash. I never read it, and I don't pay to receive it...yet they continue to delivery it... but if they are going to start adding cookies to the packaging, I might just have to start reading it.

[Davisjl]

Actually I had the money to purchase a matched pair of left and right .45 pistols. No issues with these as they shoot as designed with no problem at all. It's fun to watch the reaction of others as they think the left handed .45 will pull to the right. They were worth the cost unlike the "Not As Described" 2014 MKZ Hybrid.

 

What fools you guys are as I joined before the June 13, 2014 Lincoln announcement. You couldn't even get that correct! Darn, now I'm correcting you!

I've never been able to master that left handed shooting... I need to put some time on the range with it, but I get too frustrated. I need to learn to shoot left handed on the shotgun as I'm left eye dominant and it would be soooo much easier to learn lefty, but I can't stand getting below 85 on a sporting clay course... so I just stick with righty and deal with missing 5-10 that I really shouldn't... Edited July 27, 2014 by Davisjl

[Mark95man]

Hmmmm.... you mean exaggerated claims like "I love it as you always miss the point that WE ALWAYS obtained more EPA MPG on our cars"?  To me, that seems very exaggerated since I have never gotten above the EPA gas mileage numbers.   Even with the MKZ, I was not getting the 45MPG EPA numbers, although I am now well over the 38MPG adjusted EPA numbers.  

 

FWIW, yesterday I did a 100+ mile trip and drove like an idiot.   Constantly changing lanes, running at or above the speed limit, speeding up and slowing down, jackrabbit starts and slamming the brakes last minute at any stoplights I encountered.  Blew my driving coach numbers all to hell.  According to the dash, I got roughly 36 MPG like many people report.  Personally, I will go back to driving like a normal person and averaging around the 42-44 MPG mark.  

 

My 2014 Navigator has an EPA MPG of 15 as I got 17.7 on a trip and currently 16.4 around town. Our 95 & 08 MGM got 27 MPG while my 96 & 07 TC got 26 MPG. All depends on your driving habits.

[Mark95man]

Went back and re-read that post.  There were statements, but not really see a question in there, so I did not answer.    I will answer here since the question is here...

 

Nope, did not buy tire insurance.  It was not even offered, if I remember correctly.  I remember being offered Lo-jack, I remember being offered some sort of glass chipping windshield coverage.  Did not get that on the Lincoln, but wished I had it on the Wrangler after a rock (or something) got thrown up at me.  That mostly vertical windshield on Wranglers are a magnet for rocks.  I did buy a couple of the insurances.

 

I did buy the Key Replacement coverage.   It offers a couple other good benefits along with the key replacement.  It was $234.  On my last car, an Acura, I lost the key while hiking on vacation out west - and the nearest Acura dealer was 200+ miles away.  They wanted $795 and 2-3 days to get me a replacement.  It cost me well over that $234 in lost time, having my neighbor FedEx me my other set of keys from home, an additional overnight stay in a place I was not planning on staying, etc, etc.   I did not bother replacing the lost key since I had another, but ended up paying for it when I went to trade in the car.  Every place I went was going to deduct the charge for a replacement key on the trade-in.  Even one of those places that just buys cars was going to dock me for only having one key.   Like any insurance, it's there, I hope I never need it.

 

I bought the Paintless Dent coverage.  It was $230.   Used it twice already on the MKZ on large car door dings/dents from parking lots.  Cost of both repairs would have totaled $400+ if I paid the invoice.  Had it on the Acura but never needed it.

 

I bought the Car Sealant Coverage.  It was $495.  I am not big on washing or waxing.  If it is going to rain, I just put the car outside and let mother nature do the work.  It also covers interior stains.  On leather interiors they don't treat anything, they just offer coverage.   Had it on the Acura and used it.  They had to recover/replace the front drivers seat after my predisposition to wearing red shirts (go Georgia Dawgs) left the taupe leather seat a light pink that would not come off.  It was a couple years ago, but if I remember correctly, the parts and labor on that were well over $1000 if I had paid the invoice.                 

 

Not sure why they did not charge me for the tire or cartridge.  I wondered if maybe it was because they did not have the tire in stock and it took almost two days to get the car back to me.  They were very busy and I told them it was no rush.  I did not ever call or harass or whine or complain, they had given me a cool car to drive in the meantime so I was happy.  When I went in to pick it up,  I literally walked up to the podium he was at, pulled out my wallet and said "What do I owe you", and he said "don't worry about it, I covered it" and he handed me the key.  I put my wallet away and asked if there was anything to sign and he said "nope".  That was about it.   Its a small dealership in a small town, maybe that's it.  I wonder if my salesman might have had something to do with it.  When they brought the car into the dealer on the flatbed, I guess he saw it and then saw me get out of the truck - as he came rushing out to find out what was going on.   I have an MKC on order (due in August) so I am sure he was concerned!  When I was looking at the MKC, I remember that I asked him if it had a real spare tire and he did not even know so we went out and looked at one they had on the lot.  It does!  I remember joking with him that I did not even consider asking that question on the MKZ, because I never realized cars would come without one!  

 

If I can figure out how to do it, I am attaching a pic of what they found in the tire.  This had gone completely thru the sidewall and was inside.  I originally thought it was a sidewall blow-out since there was nothing sticking out of the tire.

 

Pretty much all I know.     

 

Went back and re-read that post.  There were statements, but not really see a question in there, so I did not answer.    I will answer here since the question is here...

 

Nope, did not buy tire insurance.  It was not even offered, if I remember correctly.  I remember being offered Lo-jack, I remember being offered some sort of glass chipping windshield coverage.  Did not get that on the Lincoln, but wished I had it on the Wrangler after a rock (or something) got thrown up at me.  That mostly vertical windshield on Wranglers are a magnet for rocks.  I did buy a couple of the insurances.

 

I did buy the Key Replacement coverage.   It offers a couple other good benefits along with the key replacement.  It was $234.  On my last car, an Acura, I lost the key while hiking on vacation out west - and the nearest Acura dealer was 200+ miles away.  They wanted $795 and 2-3 days to get me a replacement.  It cost me well over that $234 in lost time, having my neighbor FedEx me my other set of keys from home, an additional overnight stay in a place I was not planning on staying, etc, etc.   I did not bother replacing the lost key since I had another, but ended up paying for it when I went to trade in the car.  Every place I went was going to deduct the charge for a replacement key on the trade-in.  Even one of those places that just buys cars was going to dock me for only having one key.   Like any insurance, it's there, I hope I never need it.

 

I bought the Paintless Dent coverage.  It was $230.   Used it twice already on the MKZ on large car door dings/dents from parking lots.  Cost of both repairs would have totaled $400+ if I paid the invoice.  Had it on the Acura but never needed it.

 

I bought the Car Sealant Coverage.  It was $495.  I am not big on washing or waxing.  If it is going to rain, I just put the car outside and let mother nature do the work.  It also covers interior stains.  On leather interiors they don't treat anything, they just offer coverage.   Had it on the Acura and used it.  They had to recover/replace the front drivers seat after my predisposition to wearing red shirts (go Georgia Dawgs) left the taupe leather seat a light pink that would not come off.  It was a couple years ago, but if I remember correctly, the parts and labor on that were well over $1000 if I had paid the invoice.                 

 

Not sure why they did not charge me for the tire or cartridge.  I wondered if maybe it was because they did not have the tire in stock and it took almost two days to get the car back to me.  They were very busy and I told them it was no rush.  I did not ever call or harass or whine or complain, they had given me a cool car to drive in the meantime so I was happy.  When I went in to pick it up,  I literally walked up to the podium he was at, pulled out my wallet and said "What do I owe you", and he said "don't worry about it, I covered it" and he handed me the key.  I put my wallet away and asked if there was anything to sign and he said "nope".  That was about it.   Its a small dealership in a small town, maybe that's it.  I wonder if my salesman might have had something to do with it.  When they brought the car into the dealer on the flatbed, I guess he saw it and then saw me get out of the truck - as he came rushing out to find out what was going on.   I have an MKC on order (due in August) so I am sure he was concerned!  When I was looking at the MKC, I remember that I asked him if it had a real spare tire and he did not even know so we went out and looked at one they had on the lot.  It does!  I remember joking with him that I did not even consider asking that question on the MKZ, because I never realized cars would come without one!  

 

If I can figure out how to do it, I am attaching a pic of what they found in the tire.  This had gone completely thru the sidewall and was inside.  I originally thought it was a sidewall blow-out since there was nothing sticking out of the tire.

 

Pretty much all I know.     

 That was one time you needed the tire replacement insurance. If you had the insurance, the flat wouldn't have happened. Seems to be that's the way it is. Most of the time the tire insurance isn't worth it but the dent insurance is a good idea.

[jmactenn]

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[Robert Iggy Cerami]

Thought I would post this picture .... close to 45 mpg is possible 

Edited August 6, 2014 by Robert Iggy Cerami

[kseckel99]

I am getting about 39.8 MPG on the car. Have about 17+k miles now. Still love the car, and love the styling of the car.

[KenZ]

Thought I would post this picture .... close to 45 mpg is possible photo.JPG

 

Sometime you will hit the jackpot on a trip.  I have a 26 mile trip a couple days ago where it popped up as 54.2 MPG when I got home.  Makes you feel good.   I think my all time high for a trip over 10 miles was a 12 mile trip when it came back at 69 MPG.  It is fun to watch.  

[SteveB_TX]

Should I sue Lincoln or Sam's Club, or both?

 

It seems when you overfill the tank because the pump didn't shut off, so much so that it overflows, your MPG goes into the toilet!   This latest fill-up netted me a whopping 31.2 mpg!  Maybe I should file a class-action lawsuit against Lincoln or Sam's Club gas stations for screwing up my lifetime MPG average of 39 MPG!  ;)