Zalvern Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 17 hours ago, Loki-MKZ said: Oh this is all I'm doing to the Lincoln, I'm going to race it at GLD once in the Spring and that's it, daily driver with a kick. The Mustang is my performance car and will be getting all the goodies, been owning most versions of the Mustang since 1985. I may be joining team Mustang since I rather wait for more CD6 vehicles to get out once my Focus lease ends in 2021. I haven't made an account yet on Mustang6g, but I've been lurking and soaking up information on the pony cars like a sponge! I've seen you and others over there, ha! Which Mustang I'm consider? Well...I'm honestly still thinking on that. No doubt it'll have a Coyote V8 or better. That much I'll say. Loki-MKZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-MKZ Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) Zalvern, Yep, over there I'm Loki GT. :) The GT Premium 401A is an awesome package, mine is the 400A package so doesn't have the fancy LCD gagues. Edited February 8, 2019 by Loki-MKZ jmcgliss and CDW6212R 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Great color! Loki-MKZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDW6212R Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) On 2/8/2019 at 4:17 AM, Zalvern said: I may be joining team Mustang since I rather wait for more CD6 vehicles to get out once my Focus lease ends in 2021. I haven't made an account yet on Mustang6g, but I've been lurking and soaking up information on the pony cars like a sponge! I've seen you and others over there, ha! Which Mustang I'm consider? Well...I'm honestly still thinking on that. No doubt it'll have a Coyote V8 or better. That much I'll say. I just read of a new 7.3 liter engine Ford is developing. I hear it'll be an F150 engine choice but will fit a Mustang. It's evidently going to be a pushrod V8, sounds like a step back to the traditional smaller SBF size, with modern variable valve timing etc. That's what the Chevy LS engines are now, modern SBC's with new tech, plus heads patterned after the old Cleveland heads, which dominate NASCAR, since 1975. Maybe that new Ford engine might be a Mustang choice, we should know in a couple of years. Edited February 11, 2019 by CDW6212R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 So far, from what I've read, the new 7.3 is intended for super duty (F-250 and up). It might fit in an F-150 but information is sketchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalvern Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Yeah that 7.3 will be an iron anchor, meaning a Mustang would desire an aluminum version (and cost more) and be redesigned as more sporty over payload towing. It is sweet to imagine (especially exhaust sounds!) though. But big block displacement that isn't a truck, is more likely with Dodge than Ford. What I believe to happen, is a Gen 4 Hybrid Coyote 5.0 engine (I hope it does not downsize to 4.0, but may have to). The main appeal will be the electric motors to provide two things: High low end torque and AWD for an already high revving NA motor. The Aviator Grand Touring gives good foreshadowing, along with that patent on a V8 hybrid design for Ford. I hope that Gen 4 hits like 5xx HP and around 7xx TQ. The Aviator seems to foreshadow this after all. I'm also just awaiting to see the MKZ's future and what it will be (and then come back to Lincoln). I'll be seeking to replace my Focus in 2021 after all, as the Mustang will be my fun car. For now I'm leaning towards a 2020 Stang just to see what new changes are coming beyond the paint colors. Like, Will they finally add power folding mirrors to US Stangs already?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-MKZ Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) Well, I received my Livernois tunes, a 91 and 93 octane tune. I uploaded it to my car, not exactly blown away by the tuner interface, when it was done it didn't say complete or finished, just key off ignition for 3 seconds so I figured it was done. I read the information sent with the tune and it states the transmission may shift funny while it's re-learning, that's for sure! It shifted like it was drunk at first even my wife was asking me what the hell is going on with your car?? About half way to work it seems to have sorted itself out. Throttle tip in is incredible, just a bit of throttle and boost comes on and you're passing people with zero effort. It has always done this but it's better now. Full throttle will set the front tires begging for grip until the back tires are engaged which is very fast but still, the tires are not adequate for this power level, so what the tune does give is enough to want me to get better tires. The butt dyno says the car is definitely making more power you can feel, perhaps the timing comes in sooner and higher because it honestly feels like there is more kick than before. Starting at 1/4 of the way to work I babied it and drove normal, I noticed it likes to stay in 5th longer than it did before the tune so when I hit 40mph I now paddle shift into 6th and I notice the converter seems to lock up and you can just use boost/torque to gain momentum and while doing so it doesn't use as much gas as before. Most times I tested this I am at 21/22 mpg when I get to work, today I was at 24.9 keeping in mind I had to make sure to up-shift at 40 into 6th. I haven't done a full throttle 1/4 mile run yet, but so far I'm very impressed with the acceleration. I have a 5 hour drive on Monday which should help get the transmission learning fully sorted and I plan a couple of full throttle test runs as well. Edited February 15, 2019 by Loki-MKZ Grammar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-MKZ Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 On 2/11/2019 at 7:39 PM, Zalvern said: Yeah that 7.3 will be an iron anchor, meaning a Mustang would desire an aluminum version (and cost more) and be redesigned as more sporty over payload towing. It is sweet to imagine (especially exhaust sounds!) though. But big block displacement that isn't a truck, is more likely with Dodge than Ford. What I believe to happen, is a Gen 4 Hybrid Coyote 5.0 engine (I hope it does not downsize to 4.0, but may have to). The main appeal will be the electric motors to provide two things: High low end torque and AWD for an already high revving NA motor. The Aviator Grand Touring gives good foreshadowing, along with that patent on a V8 hybrid design for Ford. I hope that Gen 4 hits like 5xx HP and around 7xx TQ. The Aviator seems to foreshadow this after all. I'm also just awaiting to see the MKZ's future and what it will be (and then come back to Lincoln). I'll be seeking to replace my Focus in 2021 after all, as the Mustang will be my fun car. For now I'm leaning towards a 2020 Stang just to see what new changes are coming beyond the paint colors. Like, Will they finally add power folding mirrors to US Stangs already?! The power folding mirrors on my MKZ have issues with very cold temps and freezing up so they don't fold. I turned the folding feature off even though the dealer says no need. Well if no need why did they have to repair them, so I'll leave that off until Spring. I also wonder about the future of the MKZ, I could see keeping mine until 2021 and then trading in for a new one with maybe a hybrid design making 450+hp and 500lbft of torque or more, I can wish. :) As for the Mustang, we'll have to see but an AWD version with more power, oh yeah that would be awesome. An option to dis-engage the front wheels for some fun like Mercedes does would be fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dismonkey1 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 I had a similar issue with the folding mirrors on a rather cold day (It was probably in the single digits with wind chill). The mirrors actually wouldn't open after starting the car or at any point during the ride as they were basically frozen. You don't realize how much you use the mirrors until they aren't there and you can't see to make lane changes. Didn't have the issue again, but in reality should have never happened one time. Single digits is cold but not like what they were getting in the Midwest. Loki-MKZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalvern Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Ah yes, it's not without its cons like remembering to keep them open if it's going to Ice over night. That's the one time I had to remember the downside of power folding mirrors. Didnt have any issues otherwise. Ford could optionally package them for more premium trim options. Not everyone will like another gizmo that may hold electronic gremlins. Most European region Fords get them because there is no Lincoln upscale branch. Loki-MKZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-MKZ Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 On 2/15/2019 at 4:22 PM, Dismonkey1 said: I had a similar issue with the folding mirrors on a rather cold day (It was probably in the single digits with wind chill). The mirrors actually wouldn't open after starting the car or at any point during the ride as they were basically frozen. You don't realize how much you use the mirrors until they aren't there and you can't see to make lane changes. Didn't have the issue again, but in reality should have never happened one time. Single digits is cold but not like what they were getting in the Midwest. I disabled the function, I'll re-enable it in the Spring. CDW6212R 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-MKZ Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) I drove 14 hours yesterday, we decided to get it over with. The transmission exhibited an abrupt 1-2 shift a few times but averaging 72 mph for the entire trip I averaged 27.7 mpg, one reason is because on my way home a guy in a Honda Accord V6 drove straight up my tailpipe going around a long curve merging off of 290 West to get onto Rt 20. I put the car into sport mode and gav it some gas, now it's true the MKZ is no Sport sedan but it actually does better than other non Sport sedans in the twisties. He couldn't keep up and of course we ended up next to each other at the stop light where I figured I'd just let him go but no, I looked over to my left and he and his girlfriend looked like they thought they were going to whup on an old fart in his old fart Lincoln. The light went green, he gave it everything he had, I waited a sec before hitting the gas and then floored it and the car responded with the front tires screeching for grip and blowing by him like he went into reverse. What a waste of gas, I knew what the result would be and it went exactly like that but watching it happen it drove home the point that the way the MKZ sits right now if I race a stock 3v Mustang GT, a lightly or more modified 2v New Edge GT it isn't even going to be a race and it may very well scare a few gen 1 Coyote's if not give them a run. I'm trying to envision Lincoln execs as engineering has delivered to them a new 3.0 twin turbo that delivers 400hp / 400 torque, screw Ford it's about time we had some fun. I have seen other 3.0's on the road, but they are driven exactly like the 2.0's and 3.7's, very conservatively not that I expect them to be street racing but Lincoln has a rep for old folks driving slow cars. I fully intend to use that when I go to Great Lakes Dragaway this Spring, I'm going to let the car cool down when I get there and I'm going to pick and choose a few Mustang's running what I think my car will run and then I'm going to ask them if they want a go. I'm pretty sure of the responses, like, you're kidding right? I simply can't wait, who would have thought I bought a new Mustang GT April 2018 and then I would trade in a lease for what I thought might be a 3.7 MKZ only to find out it's the mighty 3.0 twin turbo that turns out to put the same kind of smile on my face when driving, incredible. ? Edited February 17, 2019 by Loki-MKZ jmcgliss and MKZMark 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalvern Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) Yep, I know people complain often about the weight of vehicles today, but torque is higher than ever for a reason. Plus the Dynamic Torque Vectoring helps, even better if you run the right season tires despite having no suspension upgrades. I miss that MKZ sleeper of mine, since I relocated the badges from the rear as well. If you tune up, I say even a 2017 stock Mustang auto will fall short behind the MKZ. Now 2018+ forget it, especially if they're 10 speed auto, but the stick will definitely demand some shifting skills. My Lincoln dealership enjoyed the fact I had mods and what not going for it because yes, most of the market will be your stereotypical older folk person driving a Lincoln. They never gave me a issue with service (especially when I had my engine work), and enjoyed I was very considerate and cooperative in return (and patient, because won't lie, there were so many hang ups and delays when service work was needed, but that is life). I still wait to see what becomes of the MKZ for 2020+ MY, since Lincoln really hasn't made it official if it gets axed or not. Information has been so tight lipped on the MKZ's future. I'm hoping for it to live on and become better though so that I yearn for it again. Edited February 18, 2019 by Zalvern Loki-MKZ and CDW6212R 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-MKZ Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Zalvern said: Yep, I know people complain often about the weight of vehicles today, but torque is higher than ever for a reason. Plus the Dynamic Torque Vectoring helps, even better if you run the right season tires despite having no suspension upgrades. I miss that MKZ sleeper of mine, since I relocated the badges from the rear as well. If you tune up, I say even a 2017 stock Mustang auto will fall short behind the MKZ. Now 2018+ forget it, especially if they're 10 speed auto, but the stick will definitely My Lincoln dealership enjoyed the fact I had mods and what not going for it because yes, most of the market will be your stereotypical older folk person driving a Lincoln. They never gave me a issue with service (especially when I had my engine work), and enjoyed I was very considerate and cooperative in return (and patient, because won't lie, there were so many hang ups and delays when service work was needed, but that is life). I still wait to see what becomes of the MKZ for 2020+ MY, since Lincoln really hasn't made it official if it gets axed or not. Information has been so tight lipped on the MKZ's future. I'm hoping for it to live on and become better though so that I yearn for it again. I own a 2018 A10 Mustang GT, yeah it's untouchable unless somebody has done more than an intercooler and tune on the 3.0 but soooo many 2017 and older Mustang's will be shocked when they run the MKZ, even if they win the MKZ will be pretty close. I race a guy who bought a new 2017 Mustang GT 5spd for a few grand less than a new 18 would cost and we raced at GLD, he ran a 13.2 to my 12.1, needless to say he was a bit upset at the difference in performance. I believe he got it down to a 13.0 by the end of the day. I'm just hoping the MKZ can handle a few go rounds at the drag strip this Spring. My dealer was fine with me installing a Supercharger on my new 2006 Mustang GT, we'll see how it goes if something breaks on the MKZ. Ford is dumping the Fusion so I can't imagine they'd keep building the MKZ? Maybe they'll redesign it and call it something else but I'm not holding my breath, this new CEO has it in his head all cars must go except for the Mustang, I can't stand the guy but Bill Ford likes him so he will be around a while. Edited February 18, 2019 by Loki-MKZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunktasticLucky Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I just don't see it surviving ford's car cut and if it does they will be made in China. That's gonna be a no from me dawg. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do after the Z. I suppose I'll move on to audi honestly. Jags are pretty but their maintenance has been horrendous and Mercedes is just so God damn expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 hours ago, FunktasticLucky said: I just don't see it surviving ford's car cut and if it does they will be made in China. That's gonna be a no from me dawg. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do after the Z. I suppose I'll move on to audi honestly. Jags are pretty but their maintenance has been horrendous and Mercedes is just so God damn expensive. IDK what I'll do either. My lease is up in exactly one year. The current MKZ might still be around then. If not, it's on to something else. That would be a shame since I've been loyal to Lincoln since the 2000 LS. I'm holding onto a slim hope that they'll have something based off the new CD6, RWD platform, but that's probably false hope in light of things. My son just unloaded a 2014 M-B. It was in the shop more that he drove it. One stint was from November to February of the following year, waiting on backordered parts from Germany. The upside was that he was always driving a new Mercedes of some kind since they had to give him loaners. It's also the home of the $300 oil change. At least BMW includes free maintenance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunktasticLucky Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 They have a CD6 vehicle. It's the aviator. The CD6 is an explorer chassis. Doubt they will build a car on it. I don't need something that big though. And screw BMW. Most expensive car to own. Like I said audi is pretty expensive but they take care of their customers. I'll see what lincoln has in 4 or 5 years and go from there. I'm not into loud rough rides anymore so it's gonna be hard to find a vehicle that's quick but comfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 It doesn't have to be the size of the Aviator/Explorer. The CD6 platform is very flexible and the next Mustang is expected to be built on it. http://fordauthority.com/2018/06/sources-say-all-new-ford-mustang-on-the-way-for-2021-based-on-the-explorers-cd6-platform/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalvern Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 hour ago, drolds1 said: It doesn't have to be the size of the Aviator/Explorer. The CD6 platform is very flexible and the next Mustang is expected to be built on it. http://fordauthority.com/2018/06/sources-say-all-new-ford-mustang-on-the-way-for-2021-based-on-the-explorers-cd6-platform/ Yep, this is why I'll hang tight till 2021. The MKZ as we know it may become a memory, but I totally expect a "Mustang-styled" Lincoln to arise. It may model after it but with Lincoln's style (so don't expect it to be Bullitt amazing loud like) but bring things like four doors (better rear space) and AWD. Lincoln will at least maintain one coupe/sedan (hopefully both styles. I also say the Continental should stay around and start offering those coach door variants more freely. Those things will really catch more eye if going RWD based. The 80th Continental Coach Edition sell out should gave Lincoln the hint. This is why I'm about to make my decision to acquire a 2020 Mustang Bullitt after all, since I really expect it to be the last of its "kind". 10 speed I'll get later. Loki-MKZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-MKZ Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/18/2019 at 10:16 AM, FunktasticLucky said: I just don't see it surviving ford's car cut and if it does they will be made in China. That's gonna be a no from me dawg. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do after the Z. I suppose I'll move on to audi honestly. Jags are pretty but their maintenance has been horrendous and Mercedes is just so God damn expensive. They claim there will be a replacement likely called the Zephyr but who knows, it may be Audi for me next as well if they get rid of all Lincoln sedans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dismonkey1 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 On 2/18/2019 at 2:01 PM, drolds1 said: IDK what I'll do either. My lease is up in exactly one year. The current MKZ might still be around then. If not, it's on to something else. That would be a shame since I've been loyal to Lincoln since the 2000 LS. I'm holding onto a slim hope that they'll have something based off the new CD6, RWD platform, but that's probably false hope in light of things. My son just unloaded a 2014 M-B. It was in the shop more that he drove it. One stint was from November to February of the following year, waiting on backordered parts from Germany. The upside was that he was always driving a new Mercedes of some kind since they had to give him loaners. It's also the home of the $300 oil change. At least BMW includes free maintenance. $300 oil change is right on LOL. Brings back memories of the mid 90's when I was in Germany in the Army. My favorite baby Eagle Vision TSI got totaled on the Autobahn and I needed a new car. It was just plain cheaper to order a BMW with American specs from the factory in Germany than buy an American car through the Armed Forces car sales. Went with a brand new 3 series. Handled and cornered well, but then I took it in for its first oil change/service (the dealer needed to reset the service lights). It was over $150 in 90s money. Car started to have some electrical issues after year #2 and as soon as I got back to the U.S., I ran to the dealer to trade it in on another used Eagle Vision TSI. First and last experience with a German car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kramf411 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 8 hours ago, Donnyo said: Sorry for all the post. I have a complicated childhood. I need attention and I cannot get it from real people so I go online. Good to know. ? Mods: feel free to delete. First warning on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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