Lack of reviews for 2017 MKZ?

[brucelinc]

Electrical issues.... But I don't want to say to much until all of this is resolved. But I will say anyone in Northern Virginia... Dint buy from Ted Britt! Go a lil further to another Lincoln dealer like East West Lincoln! Well say more next week

 

So, IJ, how about some details on this?

[International J]

So, IJ, how about some details on this?

Well.... I'm supposed to get my car back today. I should have details by tomorrow. What I will say is I have talked to quite a few owners and no one claimed to have the same problems as I did. Now some people may have had issues and won't admit to them because they don't understand the importance of sharing these experiences with other owners. That's how companies do recalls before the NHTSA find out. Right now it is looking like my situation is just a factory defect but i will know more this afternoon! I will say that I only had my car 10 days before it was back at the Lincoln dealership

[International J]

So, IJ, how about some details on this?

I will also say that Lincoln headquarters have been extremely helpful during this ordeal and they're the only reason why this will not be my last Lincoln. The dealership on the other hand couldn't and wouldn't care less! As far as their concerned, they sold a car and I could fuck off!

[Zalvern]

I will also say that Lincoln headquarters have been extremely helpful during this ordeal and they're the only reason why this will not be my last Lincoln. The dealership on the other hand couldn't and wouldn't care less! As far as their concerned, they sold a car and I could fuck off!

Dang yet my dealership has been the opposite. Selling just cars isn't what a real good dealership wants, they want you to choose them for service too. A shame how one dealership experience canruin things...unlike Ford, Lincoln should be more on edge on pleasing customers to keep thier jobs.

 

I had issues but they were minor. The engine cover's emblem was peeling (service got me a new one), door trim was popping a little out (and turns out it just wasn't pushed in all the way, but they still got me a whole new piece), and audio sensors and alerts was defaulting to the dashboard sounds (just needed to reflash a few things). Along with the windshield being chipped during transportation, and I had that replaced for a new one as well.

 

These have been the only issues I have had which I consider minor bugs that can been easily fixed. Now everything has been grand.

[International J]

Was all of that on your 2017?

 

And you're right.... Lincoln have been totally personal, they've called me every other day which they should considering they've had the car since June 28.... The dealership called me twice since then! And I'm the one who got in contact with the factory not them! The only reason I went to that dealer is because they have a service for life program.... But I will send screenshots of some of my issues so people can know what to do!

[brucelinc]

Still no reviews of the 3.0 MKZ or Fusion Sport by the usual sources. There have been a few Internet reviews of the Sport. From those and from what I have read on some Fusion forums, that car is not as quick as many expected. I would sure like to see some hard numbers on the 3.0 MKZ.

[brucelinc]

Well.... I'm supposed to get my car back today. I should have details by tomorrow. What I will say is I have talked to quite a few owners and no one claimed to have the same problems as I did. Now some people may have had issues and won't admit to them because they don't understand the importance of sharing these experiences with other owners. That's how companies do recalls before the NHTSA find out. Right now it is looking like my situation is just a factory defect but i will know more this afternoon! I will say that I only had my car 10 days before it was back at the Lincoln dealership

 

Updates?  

[International J]

Was all of that on your 2017?

And you're right.... Lincoln have been totally personal, they've called me every other day which they should considering they've had the car since June 28.... The dealership called me twice since then! And I'm the one who got in contact with the factory not them! The only reason I went to that dealer is because they have a service for life program.... But I will send screenshots of some of my issues so people can know what to do!

 

Well the car is officially dead, I am now in the process of ordering another vehicle! Nothing they did worked! I am sad as hell! But I do realize that all manufacturers have a bad egg in the bunch and I was just unlucky enough to get that bad egg!

[Zalvern]

Well the car is officially dead, I am now in the process of ordering another vehicle! Nothing they did worked! I am sad as hell! But I do realize that all manufacturers have a bad egg in the bunch and I was just unlucky enough to get that bad egg!

Dang that really blows. But at least it failed you in the beginning, thus allow you to try and get a properly functioning one.

 

Yeah my issues are really minor and now everything has been fixed. Now its just drive, enjoy, and maintain.

Edited August 19, 2016 by Zalvern

[International J]

Yeah it's very very unfortunate. well lucky you I'm happy for you and every other 2017 owner the good thing about me getting another car is they're going to extend the warranty. They want to assure me that this was a fluke. One thing I have to say about Lincoln is they've done a great job of customer relations. The dealership on the other hand is the worst. So I may be at least another month without my car, that truly sucks. But I'm thankful for the loaner

[brucelinc]

Could you share a bit more info?   What do you mean when you say it is "dead?"   I don't blame you for not accepting a car with serious issues but I am curious what the issues were and why they just couldn't fix them.  How did such a lemon get past the quality checks????

[International J]

Do you have an email? I can tell you the entire story but it's long!

[brucelinc]

If you consider it a fluke and not something that would benefit the group, I don't need to know.    Wish you better luck with the next one!!

[International J]

I never said I consider it a fluke... I said Lincoln is trying to convince me, which is a good move that it's a fluke. But I will try to upload photos of the warning lights tonight. Hopefully I will have better luck next time around.

[newlinux]

Does anybody know if there is a professional review of the 3.0 engine yet? Or any official track times? Or even a youtube driving review of 3.0? The lack of professional reviews on this car is frustrating.

[Airflow]

Does anybody know if there is a professional review of the 3.0 engine yet? Or any official track times? Or even a youtube driving review of 3.0? The lack of professional reviews on this car is frustrating.

I search every day, multiple times a day...  Car and Driver, MotorTrend, Left Lane News.  Google. Youtube.  Nothing!!!  The lack of information with these cars for sale and in public hands is driving me nuts.  :)  I've driven two 3.0T AWDs and was very impressed, but want to see some numbers!  One ray of hope is that Zalvern on here is running his down the 1/4 this Friday and is going to report back.

[JHVJXN]

Here you go folks... https://www.carpages.ca/blog/2016/08/25/2017-lincoln-mkz-3-0t-review-and-road-test/

[Airflow]

Here you go folks... https://www.carpages.ca/blog/2016/08/25/2017-lincoln-mkz-3-0t-review-and-road-test/

Nice, thx!

[newlinux]

Thanks for that link. I wish they had gone into more detail about handling with 3.0t, but I'll take what I can get at this point.

[Zalvern]

I cover most of my performance and vehicle stuff over at ecoboostperformance forums.

 

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6519.msg102707.html#msg102707

 

Is my thread where you can find my first drag strip run. Both me and the car being new at it.

 

To sum it up, 13.9 - 14.0 for the quarter mile was my range with no "strip prepping" and I only got three runs, so that's average joe time. I'm a total drag strip rookie as well and don't know the car's launching technique, so I really feel it's a bit improper to gauge a car's strength when drag stripping definitely a man and machine sport bond. Even so...

 

Take such things with a grain of salt. Car still is effortlessly powerful and stalwart when at speed, overtaking, and especially cornering. That's what really matters and don't think people should let some one average guy's drag performance results sway their choice.

 

Even if a pro say gets it down to 13.5 or so, it still doesn't completely measure a vehicle.

Edited August 27, 2016 by Zalvern

[shortspark]

I think that was pretty impressive.  From what you wrote about your lack of experience on the track, no chance to tweak tire pressure, etc. the times you posted were good.  Your car is new and they probably have a break in procedure for the first 1000 miles or so.  Are you not afraid of hurting the motor until that procedure is completed?  I seldom pay much attention to the break in instructions on cars I buy but I don't drive like you do on the track.  What does the MKZ instructions call for in terms of "break in procedure"?

[brucelinc]

I will repeat what I said on the other forum:

 

OK, looks like DA was in the 2700 - 3000 range.   That is far from ideal.  The elevation at that track is around 700 so with better air, you you have been in the 13.7 range - about where a stock SHO is.

Another factor is the low miles.  It will run harder after 5000 or more.  You mentioned not being experienced at launching the car.  What RPM were you launching at?  That can make a big difference.   Launching too gently will hurt your 60s and your overall time.  With a stock AWD car like yours, wheelspin likely is not a factor so running your 40 PSI high tire pressure for lowest rolling resistance was probably a good thing.

Overall, considering all the factors, I don't think those are bad times.  When the magazines test the 3.0 MKZ, they will be reporting mid 13s - I would bet on it.

[Zalvern]

Yeah I was too gentle on the throttle and RPM launch level. That's something I will have to build into with time and practice. I know I am far from a proper launch.

 

Few of the pro guys at the track mentioned that. That if I'm running 13.9 - 14.0 with my low skill launching, not to mention icky weather air it was, the car has another half second it could shave off. Maybe more, but it's more about launch skill and atmosphere in sub 14's.

 

These cars do not have a defined break in. Just to drive easy when breaking in new tires.

[brucelinc]

The humidity was high when you ran.   Turbo cars prefer to inhale Oxygen - not water!!   I wouldn't criticize your launch technique that much.  Your 60 foot times are not terrible for a stock car and I wouldn't want to launch a new car with such low miles very hard either.    I started out launching at 1500 and finally worked up to 2000.  That gained me about one tenth.  

Again, I think it is a 13.5 car in good air when it is fully broken in.  I realize there is no "break in" procedure as such but cars always run better after they get more miles on them.   Engine, transmission, PTU and rear diff are all still tight.

[Zalvern]

The humidity was high when you ran.   Turbo cars prefer to inhale Oxygen - not water!!   I wouldn't criticize your launch technique that much.  Your 60 foot times are not terrible for a stock car and I wouldn't want to launch a new car with such low miles very hard either.    I started out launching at 1500 and finally worked up to 2000.  That gained me about one tenth.  

Again, I think it is a 13.5 car in good air when it is fully broken in.  I realize there is no "break in" procedure as such but cars always run better after they get more miles on them.   Engine, transmission, PTU and rear diff are all still tight.

 

You could smell the rain in the air as the storm was nearing, plus I drove in through rain. Downside with turbocharged vehicles is they are more sensitive to atmosphere conditions, which is a double edge sword at times. I just get hard on myself to better motivate me to push better next time.

 

I do plan to tune. But I prefer to wait till I break pass at least 5000 miles and upgrade my Trans/PTU/RDU fluids to compensate. Even then, in stock form, this car is still a delight to drive on the streets. Drag strip at least gives me something to aspire and grow into. OEM fluids are not made with high performance in mind so I wish to address that first.

 

I run ACES IV in my fuel for its protection benefits. Though being stock tuned, its higher octane benefits just help immunize the engine from knock/misfire/detonation, but does nothing for performance (which I hear higher octanes actually hurt stock car performance). It's when you get the tune, its like race fuel 24/7 and absolutely insane. I feel this car can get into the 12's just like the Taurus SHO/MKS with a tune. But a good part of that challenge will be to improve my own drag strip driver skills too.

 

The next thing will be to see how much watered down the MKZ's stock tune is compared to the Taurus SHO/MKS. Stock to stock, they seem to be equal depending on driver and atmosphere, which maybe the MKZ edges a bit out better but not that much (Taurus SHO/MKS are still great performing cars to be equally measured with). The ECU plays such a big role on its own in delivery. Also need to get dyno measurements as well.

 

My goal is to see if breaking into the 11's (even if high end 11's) is possible with this new engine and its tougher improvements over previous year models. Without doing any bolt ons or methanol injection. A tune, high quality custom fluids, and my own driving skill are my focuses to work on and see just where the limits are.

Edited August 27, 2016 by Zalvern