International J Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 One of the cars I am thinking of buying, (along with the MKZ/Continental), is the new Buick LaCrosse. Buick brought a bunch of them out in every configuration and invited car reviewers to drive them in the Portland, OR. area. This coming out party was just a few days ago and since then there have been a bunch of reviews, both on car websites and youtube. I don't understand why Lincoln did not do something like this. If they did it was ignored. Here is an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0mvmh4SmHU I can't speak on the new 2017 Lacrosse but if it's anything like the 2012 it's a good car. My brother and I bought one for my grandmother and with the exception of one issue she should've noticed when she test drove it is near perfect as far as American luxury production vehicles go. That one flaw was important and I don't know how the engineers never caught it.... But the rear window is damn near impossible to see out of. She has a hell of a time backing into parking spaces, a problem they fixed the next model year! Honestly as much as I hate to say it that car actually drives smoother than my Lincoln. I think it is worth you checking out. I'm a Lincoln guy but as far as I'm concerned as long as you're buying American that's all that matters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortspark Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Sorry to hear of the electrical problems. That is tough to swallow when a car is brand new. Yes, the new LaCrosse is pretty sharp and well engineered. However, I am hearing of a couple things that don't sit with me very well. For example, the motor is offered in one configuration - a v6 that has stop/go. I could live with stop/go if I could disable it like most other cars with this feature. The problem is that the LaCrosse will not allow you to shut it off and that could be a deal breaker for me. I also don't think it has power folding mirrors, a cd player and a few other things that I would like to have. It will be interesting to take a look at it when it arrives at dealers in a month or so and compare it with the MKZ. The way I want them configured, it looks like the MKZ will cost a few thousand more than the LaCrosse and that is a factor to consider. But so too is the MKZ at 400 hp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
International J Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Sorry to hear of the electrical problems. That is tough to swallow when a car is brand new. Yes, the new LaCrosse is pretty sharp and well engineered. However, I am hearing of a couple things that don't sit with me very well. For example, the motor is offered in one configuration - a v6 that has stop/go. I could live with stop/go if I could disable it like most other cars with this feature. The problem is that the LaCrosse will not allow you to shut it off and that could be a deal breaker for me. I also don't think it has power folding mirrors, a cd player and a few other things that I would like to have. It will be interesting to take a look at it when it arrives at dealers in a month or so and compare it with the MKZ. The way I want them configured, it looks like the MKZ will cost a few thousand more than the LaCrosse and that is a factor to consider. But so too is the MKZ at 400 hp! Yeah it's pretty depressing seeing that I waited so long but the story gets much more depressing than that. But I will wait to see if Lincoln will rectify and make up for their mistakes. As far as the lacrosse not having stop and go disable is pretty weird. So is the fact that they don't have the folding mirrors. The CD player I would be able to do without seeing that every car that I purchased since 1999 I'm pretty much replaced the factory system. From what I see the MKZ is a little overpriced considering they're discontinuing the MKS... It seems as if they are making up for the lack of the MKS by overpricing the MKZ. By the way I have the 2.0 model so I don't have the luxury of a 400 horsepower engine. But seeing as my last car was a Lincoln LSE with a V8 and I have a Mustang GT with a V8 I've already satisfied my need for speed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 The MKS is going away but will be replaced by the Continental, which can get well into the $70s pricewise. So I don't think that their pricing strategy is to make up for the lack of the MKS with the MKZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
International J Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 The MKS is going away but will be replaced by the Continental, which can get well into the $70s pricewise. So I don't think that their pricing strategy is to make up for the lack of the MKS with the MKZ. what you're saying is true they do want to replace the MKS with the Continental however as of now they have no plans on bringing the Lincoln Town Car back which I believe in a few years they probably will so that means that they're dropping two lines in favor of one I'm not so sure that's not their intent. But I am hearing that next year they will replace one of their way too many SUV's with a new Aviator so I'm happy about that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longislander Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 I can't speak on the new 2017 Lacrosse but if it's anything like the 2012 it's a good car. My brother and I bought one for my grandmother and with the exception of one issue she should've noticed when she test drove it is near perfect as far as American luxury production vehicles go. That one flaw was important and I don't know how the engineers never caught it.... But the rear window is damn near impossible to see out of. She has a hell of a time backing into parking spaces, a problem they fixed the next model year! 2012 and 2013 LaCrosse had the same body so the rear windows are exactly the same... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longislander Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 what you're saying is true they do want to replace the MKS with the Continental however as of now they have no plans on bringing the Lincoln Town Car back which I believe in a few years they probably will so that means that they're dropping two lines in favor of one I'm not so sure that's not their intent. But I am hearing that next year they will replace one of their way too many SUV's with a new Aviator so I'm happy about that.. What????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBrown Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 The current Town Car is the MkT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
International J Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 The current Town Car is the MkT. That was the plan but poor sales numbers and an unattractive design will end the run for the MKT. Ford is a very indecisive company and once a car slumps they get rid of it quick.... I.e. the LS, MKS, The Escort, Bronco, The Continental, aviator, the Probe GT, which were all bread winners for the company at one point but as soon as a competitor bites into their marketshare they go back to the drawing board instead of redesigning and coming back stronger. So don't be surprised to see the town car make a comeback! Because at least 3 cars on that list I gave are in the works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
International J Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 What????? What, what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
International J Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 2012 and 2013 LaCrosse had the same body so the rear windows are exactly the same... Really... That's crazy I figured they would've adjusted it because of safety concerns. I never drive any other Lincoln but that one and it's a nice car but she can barely see out the back! And to make matters worse we didn't even think about investing in the rearview camera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBrown Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 That was the plan but poor sales numbers and an unattractive design will end the run for the MKT. Ford is a very indecisive company and once a car slumps they get rid of it quick.... I.e. the LS, MKS, The Escort, Bronco, The Continental, aviator, the Probe GT, which were all bread winners for the company at one point but as soon as a competitor bites into their marketshare they go back to the drawing board instead of redesigning and coming back stronger. So don't be surprised to see the town car make a comeback! Because at least 3 cars on that list I gave are in the works! I see a lot of the MKT Town Cars on the streets. But perhaps that's because I live in the New York Metropolitan area where there are a lot of Limousines. :) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalvern Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) Electrical issues.... But I don't want to say to much until all of this is resolved. But I will say anyone in Northern Virginia... Dint buy from Ted Britt! Go a lil further to another Lincoln dealer like East West Lincoln! Well say more next week I'm curious to hear about this, but I will say of one eye-raising problematic design with the new MKZ: The battery being up front in the engine. Why did they move it from the rear? It's exactly in the same spot as my Fusion...and they removed the handle along with giving it no battery cover or heat shield (Even dang Focuses get battery covers!) They put the battery up front, unlike previous models where I saw the battery was kept in the trunk. If you opt for the 3.0T engine, it is a heat maker and the battery easily gets exposed to this heat. It is really the one flaw I noticed since we did not even get a battery cover or heat shield up front. I'm sure they wanted to give customers more trunk space but I rather have kept the battery in the trunk area (or even make a battery tray next to the spare tire. I too actually have been encountering some "electrical issues" but I already know it is the fault of the battery itself. The battery is losing charge far faster than should be needed (I charge it to 85% and perhaps two days later its dropping into the 70's and keeps dropping). What happens is the BMS (Battery Management System) starts to become precautious and turns off things like the premium door sounds and sensors. They revert to DashDAQ sounds. Other things can be modem connectivity issues, and lights flickering. Cars are so much more demanding on electrical power without even being a hybrid, and you don't want your alternator working harder to power devices along with trying to recharge a problematic battery. This is also why I didn't like my car taking so long to be delievered. The battery was just contining to sit, and I highly doubt dealerships ever charge up batters of new incoming cars. Most people don't even own a charger and think the Alternator is good enough at restoring it. Not with today's highly computerized and electrical cars. I know its my battery, using my data logs from FORScan, I get poor voltage readings down to 12 volts WITH the alternator running. 11.X volts has been the lowest recorded when the vehicle is in accessory mode. which while my dealer is giving me a replacement, I find these non-AGM motorcraft batteries so poor. My Fusion also had these kinds of issues, and the only remedy was to buy a better battery (I went with XS Power). I will say seeing even the 3.0T not getting an AGM battery left me a bit displeased (only darn Start/Stop engines get them). The car itself still is great, but really it's always the "wear and tear items" that OEM manufacturers cut the corners at. Just going to give the heads up, be ready to either get another battery under warranty or invest in a better aftermarket brand if you really want long term reliance. Edited August 9, 2016 by Zalvern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
International J Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 I'm curious to hear about this, but I will say of one eye-raising problematic design with the new MKZ: The battery being up front in the engine. Why did they move it from the rear? It's exactly in the same spot as my Fusion...and they removed the handle along with giving it no battery cover or heat shield (Even dang Focuses get battery covers!) They put the battery up front, unlike previous models where I saw the battery was kept in the trunk. If you opt for the 3.0T engine, it is a heat maker and the battery easily gets exposed to this heat. It is really the one flaw I noticed since we did not even get a battery cover or heat shield up front. I'm sure they wanted to give customers more trunk space but I rather have kept the battery in the trunk area (or even make a battery tray next to the spare tire. I too actually have been encountering some "electrical issues" but I already know it is the fault of the battery itself. The battery is losing charge far faster than should be needed (I charge it to 85% and perhaps two days later its dropping into the 70's and keeps dropping). What happens is the BMS (Battery Management System) starts to become precautious and turns off things like the premium door sounds and sensors. They revert to DashDAQ sounds. Other things can be modem connectivity issues, and lights flickering. Cars are so much more demanding on electrical power without even being a hybrid, and you don't want your alternator working harder to power devices along with trying to recharge a problematic battery. This is also why I didn't like my car taking so long to be delievered. The battery was just contining to sit, and I highly doubt dealerships ever charge up batters of new incoming cars. Most people don't even own a charger and think the Alternator is good enough at restoring it. Not with today's highly computerized and electrical cars. I know its my battery, using my data logs from FORScan, I get poor voltage readings down to 12 volts WITH the alternator running. 11.X volts has been the lowest recorded when the vehicle is in accessory mode. which while my dealer is giving me a replacement, I find these non-AGM motorcraft batteries so poor. My Fusion also had these kinds of issues, and the only remedy was to buy a better battery (I went with XS Power). I will say seeing even the 3.0T not getting an AGM battery left me a bit displeased (only darn Start/Stop engines get them). The car itself still is great, but really it's always the "wear and tear items" that OEM manufacturers cut the corners at. Just going to give the heads up, be ready to either get another battery under warranty or invest in a better aftermarket brand if you really want long term reliance. You have a 2017? I will share with you if so and other 2017 owners but not until i find out the deal on my car which hopefully its Friday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalvern Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 You have a 2017? I will share with you if so and other 2017 owners but not until i find out the deal on my car which hopefully its Friday! Yeah, which when it came to any electrical issues...most commonly it is always the battery. If your diagnosis is the battery, at least it isn't a real serious flaw with the car itself. So I'll hope for that, even though it means once again the Motorcraft Battery quality is showing its "finest" reasons for complete replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
International J Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Yeah, which when it came to any electrical issues...most commonly it is always the battery. If your diagnosis is the battery, at least it isn't a real serious flaw with the car itself. So I'll hope for that, even though it means once again the Motorcraft Battery quality is showing its "finest" reasons for complete replacement. Definitely more than the battery..... I wish it was just the battery! But I will I'm gonna miss having the battery in the trunk like my LS had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 I'm curious to hear about this, but I will say of one eye-raising problematic design with the new MKZ: The battery being up front in the engine. Why did they move it from the rear? It's exactly in the same spot as my Fusion...and they removed the handle along with giving it no battery cover or heat shield (Even dang Focuses get battery covers!) They put the battery up front, unlike previous models where I saw the battery was kept in the trunk. If you opt for the 3.0T engine, it is a heat maker and the battery easily gets exposed to this heat. It is really the one flaw I noticed since we did not even get a battery cover or heat shield up front. I'm sure they wanted to give customers more trunk space but I rather have kept the battery in the trunk area (or even make a battery tray next to the spare tire. I too actually have been encountering some "electrical issues" but I already know it is the fault of the battery itself. The battery is losing charge far faster than should be needed (I charge it to 85% and perhaps two days later its dropping into the 70's and keeps dropping). What happens is the BMS (Battery Management System) starts to become precautious and turns off things like the premium door sounds and sensors. They revert to DashDAQ sounds. Other things can be modem connectivity issues, and lights flickering. Cars are so much more demanding on electrical power without even being a hybrid, and you don't want your alternator working harder to power devices along with trying to recharge a problematic battery. This is also why I didn't like my car taking so long to be delievered. The battery was just contining to sit, and I highly doubt dealerships ever charge up batters of new incoming cars. Most people don't even own a charger and think the Alternator is good enough at restoring it. Not with today's highly computerized and electrical cars. I know its my battery, using my data logs from FORScan, I get poor voltage readings down to 12 volts WITH the alternator running. 11.X volts has been the lowest recorded when the vehicle is in accessory mode. which while my dealer is giving me a replacement, I find these non-AGM motorcraft batteries so poor. My Fusion also had these kinds of issues, and the only remedy was to buy a better battery (I went with XS Power). I will say seeing even the 3.0T not getting an AGM battery left me a bit displeased (only darn Start/Stop engines get them). The car itself still is great, but really it's always the "wear and tear items" that OEM manufacturers cut the corners at. Just going to give the heads up, be ready to either get another battery under warranty or invest in a better aftermarket brand if you really want long term reliance. I've had 3 MKZs. The battery has never been in the trunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucelinc Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 The LS had the battery in the trunk supposedly for better weight distribution but there was not much room under the LS's hood, anyway. drolds1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 The LS had the battery in the trunk supposedly for better weight distribution but there was not much room under the LS's hood, anyway. Right. They originally told us it was for weight distribution but in the end they admitted that there was no room for it in the engine compartment. No room for the transmission dipstick either. However, no MKZ has had the battery in the trunk. BTW, were you a member of LLSOC? Your screen name rings a bell with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalvern Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) I've had 3 MKZs. The battery has never been in the trunk.Prototype models actually had the battery in the trunk. I should of mentioned that. Just like Black Label versions had the rear lower portion of the bumper body color painted. When I came to the Cleveland Auto show, the 2017 MKZ display vehicle had its trunk opened and you could see the battery in there. It also had the lower bumper body color painted. It wasn't a hybrid either, but 3.0T gas model. Wish I took a picture of it, but both the MKZ and Continental got final production changes that feel like a step backwards. Edited August 9, 2016 by Zalvern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermans Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Right. They originally told us it was for weight distribution but in the end they admitted that there was no room for it in the engine compartment. No room for the transmission dipstick either. However, no MKZ has had the battery in the trunk. BTW, were you a member of LLSOC? Your screen name rings a bell with me. I'm sure you meant to say...except for the hybrid models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucelinc Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Drolds, I was never a member of LLSOC but I had an LS and was pretty active on Edmunds in the early 2000s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 I'm sure you meant to say...except for the hybrid models. Yes. That is what I meant. I didn't think it was necessary to point that out since we were talking about the12V underhood battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Drolds, I was never a member of LLSOC but I had an LS and was pretty active on Edmunds in the early 2000s. That's probably where I recognize your name from. LLSOC evolved from those early days on Edmunds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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