2017 MKZ orders

[newlinux]

I certainly have anxiety as well, and I'm only 2 weeks in. Getting regular (any) updates proactively from Lincoln or the dealer would help.

 

I realize it is not a new issue, and I signed up for this and have patience, but there is still a little anxiety because I want the car.

[JHVJXN]

I get that it takes time. I'm not complaining about the process... It is what it is... I'm just not patient

 

It's the way society has gone I suppose. We used it wait for letters in the mail, now we are put out if we do

Not get a reply in 5 minutest an email.

 

Although, to my credit... My wife and I did wait a whole nine months to find out the sex of our baby... lol!

Edited September 12, 2016 by JHVJXN

[shortspark]

I'm not sure how Lincoln works but I can tell you a story about Mercedes.  I wanted an ML350 in 2012 and it had to have certain things such as the right color paint and interior, lighting package, upgraded stereo package, etc.  On most options I was not flexible.  I contacted all the MB internet managers for several hundred miles of me and told them what I wanted and that if they could get it and give me a straight 9% off sticker I would buy it.  I already had a couple test drives and knew just what I wanted.  I also checked all the Mercedes forums and auto pricing websites and found out a fair average of what people were paying for this car in various parts of the country (it came to 7 1/4% but I started at 9% for a little play room).

 

All the internet managers wrote emails back.  Some said there was no car like I wanted anywhere and it would have to be special ordered (up to 12 weeks).  Some said they could not do 9% even if they did order it.  But one guy at a dealership 130 miles from me wrote back and said he could do the price if I was patient enough to wait two weeks.  I wrote back and said the car could not possibly be built in two weeks.  He said that indeed there were no cars like I wanted or even close to what I wanted for sale anywhere.  However, he checked the plant in Alabama where assembly takes place and found one that had two small items of difference from what I wanted - this car came with wheel locks and a heated steering wheel, which I would not have ordered.  He explained that the car is coming off line shortly and is a dealer ordered car for a Boston dealer.  Except for those two small items, it was precisely what I wanted.  The guy was really prepared to talk to me and had everything lined out perfectly, including all costs associated with the sale.  He said he had called the Boston dealer and offered to trade invoices with him and give him one of his cars coming off line in exchange for the one I wanted.  The car my Texas dealer ordered would instead go to Boston and that Boston car would come to Texas for me.  I said go for it.

 

Sure enough, two weeks later he called and I went in to pick it up.  That was the first time I ever saw the dealership or the internet manager and I never put a nickle down as deposit. I handed him the check for the car, drove off with my Judi following me - and have not been back since.  I have been tickled to death with that car from day one.  Could I have done better than 9% off sticker by going back and forth among the dealers?  Maybe, maybe not but not having to travel those distances and doing everything from the comfort of my home was priceless to me.  

 

I guess the moral of the story is where there is a will there is a way.  You just have to find a dealer who is willing to go the extra mile to find your car and get it to you.  Someone, someplace probably has a car coming off line just like you want for their showroom and that car can be switched and sent to you.  At least that is what happened at Mercedes with me and if Lincoln does not work that way, well, maybe they should.

[newlinux]

That's similar to how I bought my last three cars. Wanting a black label complicated things a bit for me.

[shortspark]

Because some have expressed a sporty nature to the MKZ in this thread, I think I will post a differing opinion here, as well as in the reviews section:

 

http://www.consumerreports.org/sedans/2017-lincoln-mkz-first-drive-review/

[Zalvern]

Because some have expressed a sporty nature to the MKZ in this thread, I think I will post a differing opinion here, as well as in the reviews section:

 

http://www.consumerreports.org/sedans/2017-lincoln-mkz-first-drive-review/

It's another review that focuses on the 2.0T engine. That being said...

 

The Driver's Package, or Dynamic Torque Vectoring especially, literally does that damn good of a job turning this 4100 lbs range transverse engine into a special fun spirited driver.

 

Even 3.0T and 3.0T AWD w/o Driver's Package can't measure up at all. It's truly that sickenly good. This is the draw back though, since it means all or nothing in regards to getting the package. DTV would be beneficial on any engine, regardless of power for the FWD-based transverse AWD vehicles. The Continental at least includes DTV just by opting for the 3.0T engine, so it'll be interesting to see its reviews in handling for the full size sedan.

 

Only downside is the forced interior choice for those not wanting to pay for Black Label. Hopefully they make DTV a bit more easier to obtain because it counters the weakness of heavy and transverse big time in terms of sport handling.

 

Some of the cornering maneuvers are so scary in an exhilarating good way, that the Driver's MKZ can do. Driver's Package meets the name big time. Downside is being limited and option gated so it will be swept under the rug by reviews due to not being mainstream.

Edited September 14, 2016 by Zalvern

[JHVJXN]

I went back and forth on ordering a black label, cost wasn't the factor for me. The closest BL Dealer to me is 62 miles. The accouterments that come with BL aren't appealing when you're that far away from a BL dealer. I love the wheels and grille on the driver's package and the sportier seat design. I wanted a sport's car but a mustang gt wasn't practical. This is actually the better option for me...After seeing the interior in person, I really liked it.. but I imagine it's a love or hate it proposition. Having said that... the thoroughbred interior is sharp.

 

I've had luxury cars... Several Lexus LS 460's... I would have bought a continental if I wanted luxury again. I didn't want luxury this time. I wanted sporty. Drivers package fit the bill for me.

Edited September 14, 2016 by JHVJXN

[Zalvern]

Now I do think Lincoln should of gave the MKZ the 2.3L Ecoboost as the standard gasoline engine instead of the 2.0. When it comes to fuel economy the 2.3L is nearly equal yet performs all the better. The 3.0T help set the MKZ ahead of say, the Fusion with the 2.7L Ecoboost to give it a prime reason to pay a higher price. So the 2.3L Ecoboost would of made a great standard gas engine choice for the MKZ, and make it more inciting for those as a reason to not settle for just a Fusion at a cheaper price.

 

The majority will go for the 2.0T over the 3.0T, so while the 3.0T is awesome and all...the standard engine choice is often the big deciding factor. 2.3L Ecoboost (or 2.3T) and offering a cheaper Dynamic Torque Vectoring package for it would really help bolster the MKZ as a whole.

Edited September 15, 2016 by Zalvern

[JHVJXN]

Zalvern how noticeable is the dtv? I'm excited to try it out on some curvy roads.

[Zalvern]

Zalvern how noticeable is the dtv? I'm excited to try it out on some curvy roads.

 

It's more like, don't fear the car is going to wobble or behave like a typical FWD based car. It's very secure and planted when engaged in Sport gear. Should never feel any form of body roll in realistic cornering speeds, ever. You'll forget it is a FWD based engine car which is the whole benefit of the package. Practice and have fun with the paddle shifters too and take advantage of higher RPMs through downshifting to nail a perfect turn in and accelerate.

 

You can whip the car pretty hard and brake some traction like any car if the turn is unrealistic to conquer at a given speed, but the main complaint and weakness of FWD (which includes FWD based AWD vehicles) should be non-existent: The understeer. I have not experienced any understeer at any point to this day, which is the bane of a FWD based vehicle (AWD or not). If you hit a corner too hard, it'll break some traction naturally (tires will squeal) and oversteer a bit but even then, you can fight it off within a second and regain control easily. I've played around with it without Traction Control on too.

 

All in all, it kills understeer which is the biggest desire for most in handling performance for a "Driver's car". The real fun: Once you cleared pass corner entry you can hit the throttle and accelerate as you start your turn, and shoot out like a rocket, much earlier than the standard AWD based vehicle and definitely faster than a RWD vehicle. I like that while the car doesn't have a stick shift, it does give some incentive to use the paddle shifters more than anything. You'll downshift more than braking to prepare corner entry just so you can get the thrill of launching out instead of slowing down like the typical vehicle. It's really fun to drive that way. The system's ability to correct from oversteer is impressive as well, whereas any time I did a purpose oversteer attempt (cornering sharply at a fast travel speed in a big open lot area I "hoon" around), by starting to counter steer, the car immediately corrects itself and can hammer the throttle away once straighten back up with full control. The AWD/DTV combination really recovers any oversteer mistake quickly with a simple downshift and small counter steer technique. One still needs to be, a calm and collected driver to realize what they must do to help the system fully recover in such a situation (panicky people can still screw things up here easily).

 

Now its not invincible, so never get too over the head thinking the corner will help turn a sharp 90 degrees at insane mph, as you will oversteer like any other vehicle. Plus it is extra strain on the vehicle and tires, but nice to know it has strong recovery control should the situation ever arise to warrant it. Tires are still the number 1 importance here, as AWD and DTV just help enhance their performance but this goes for ANY car no matter how sophisticated its handling is. But really, it's something that grows on you the more time is spent playing witih it, and feels great and pretty fun to have on an automatic. The Focus RS is more exhilarating given it is stick shift and track tuned, whereas the MKZ is about using it for comfort and control on the streets.

Edited September 15, 2016 by Zalvern

[Myron D. Brown]

So I stopped by a Lincoln Black Label dear in the Atlanta area yesterday to get my car washed.

I pulled my 2017 next to a 2016 Black Label model, that also had the panoramic roof. I was disappointed to confirm that the 2016 Black Label did have a headliner made completely of Alcantara suede...even with the retractable roof. My 2017 Black Label has suede pillars and suede sun visors...but the rest of the headliner/ceiling looks like a cheap cloth material in comparison. I'm bummed about that--it seems like a step backwards. Otherwise, I love my car. I asked one of the sales managers, and he doesn't know exactly why Lincoln would make that change. But he assumes it may be due to customer feedback. Now I'm wondering if I can have a parts department order the suede headliner from a 2016 model and have it installed. Hmmm...anybody have any ideas?

[Myron D. Brown]

So I just pulled up to a restaurant and this guy came out eyeing my car and staring. He complimented it and asked me a dozen questions. He was really impressed. Then he shook my hand and walked off. As I go to get something out of the trunk. Then he passEd behind me in a black Tesla Model S P90D (the one with Ludicrous Mode). So he rolled down his window and I was like "REALLY!? You are complimenting ME!?" But that says a lot about the 2017 MKZ redesign if it's got Tesla owners dropping their jaws. Hopefully Lincoln will soon get the credit it deserves and become more popular among mainstream luxury car owners. But for now, it's still pretty rare. In the 10 days that I've owned it, I've driven 1,000+ miles across 3 states...and I've still yet to come across another 2017 MKZ on the road. Let alone a Black Label trim. I think I'll be able to enjoy the exclusivity for a long time to come.

[Zalvern]

So I just pulled up to a restaurant and this guy came out eyeing my car and staring. He complimented it and asked me a dozen questions. He was really impressed. Then he shook my hand and walked off. As I go to get something out of the trunk. Then he passEd behind me in a black Tesla Model S P90D (the one with Ludicrous Mode). So he rolled down his window and I was like "REALLY!? You are complimenting ME!?" But that says a lot about the 2017 MKZ redesign if it's got Tesla owners dropping their jaws. Hopefully Lincoln will soon get the credit it deserves and become more popular among mainstream luxury car owners. But for now, it's still pretty rare. In the 10 days that I've owned it, I've driven 1,000+ miles across 3 states...and I've still yet to come across another 2017 MKZ on the road. Let alone a Black Label trim. I think I'll be able to enjoy the exclusivity for a long time to come.

Going to be honest, while Lincoln doesn't have much "fame", folks in real life get weak at its appearance. This is why despite what people say online, reality is what counts.

 

I've seen plenty of 2017 vehicles (especially Fusions) out now but in my area, seeing any year MKZs is a bit rare. I see more 2000 to 2009 ranges of them than 2013+. Only seen ONE Gold 2017 and only knew because it had the chrome rear trim on the lower bumper (2013 to 16 does not have it).

 

"Damn what car is that?" "That MKZ is sexy" "Gorgeous Lincoln" "Those wheels are mesmerizing" "Wow this interior!" "Did that cost 80-something grand?" "Are you a Doctor who works here?

 

Just a variety of comments Ive gotten minding my own business. Boy gas stations are gawking zones and intersections always has that head turner.

 

My favorite is my local on ramp. I always gun this car to fast speed so to others I probably look like a missle passing them with ease for a perfect merge. I get folks who speed up and try checking me out before falling back, though pacing too close to me gets me uncomfortable so I take off.

 

Let alone how well performing this car is stock, it makes me giddy inside I'll admit and especially having a Black Label 3.0T.

 

It won't last forever but this car will be special to me, and it's "Unicorn status" is nice.  Still one of the best 2017 cars in my opinion compared to rivals in the same size category. It's got Crystal Serum and Clear Bra so it's going to look good for a long time. Doubt this lease will get returned.

Edited September 17, 2016 by Zalvern

[Myron D. Brown]

So far, my favorite compliment was overheard leaving the parking lot at work Wednesday. (I had all the windows down and the glass roof fully retracted.)

 

"That's a damn Lincoln lookin' like that!?!?"

 

I laughed so hard...LOL

[JHGMIA]

It took two months, but finally I picked up my 2017 MKZ Hybrid Black Label, a few days ago. Took about two weeks from when VIN no. showed up on Ford Etis website for car to reach dealership.  I ordered it with Diamond Black exterior, Thoroughbred interior; technology package & panoramic roof. I did not bother with the climate package, or multi-contour seats (hope I don't regret not  getting the upgraded seats). It looks great and radio is much improved from the supposed high-end but disappointing THX system in my previous 2014 model. Putting aside the black label enhancements, the 2017 MKZ is a much improved car. The Hybrid engine in the 2014 was noisy, particularly on accelerating where it always sounded as if it was struggling. The info system is also much improved. Lets see how it goes over the next several months.

[Myron D. Brown]

It took two months, but finally I picked up my 2017 MKZ Hybrid Black Label, a few days ago. Took about two weeks from when VIN no. showed up on Ford Etis website for car to reach dealership.  I ordered it with Diamond Black exterior, Thoroughbred interior; technology package & panoramic roof. I did not bother with the climate package, or multi-contour seats (hope I don't regret not  getting the upgraded seats). It looks great and radio is much improved from the supposed high-end but disappointing THX system in my previous 2014 model. Putting aside the black label enhancements, the 2017 MKZ is a much improved car. The Hybrid engine in the 2014 was noisy, particularly on accelerating where it always sounded as if it was struggling. The info system is also much improved. Lets see how it goes over the next several months. 20160917_180302.jpg20160917_180350.jpg

 

Congratulations!! At least you only waited two months--I waited FIVE!! :(. You and I ordered the same thing, except I also got the Climate package and the multi-contour seats. Depending on where you live (or if you have people riding in the back often), the climate package may not be a huge issue. But I couldn't pass up on the massaging seats, since the upgrade was only $600. Even if you don't use the massage function, it makes the seat much more customizable for your comfort.

 

​I've seen and read many reviewers who have said the MKZ Hybrid is noisy. Recent reviews suggest it's the noisiest of the 3 available engines. I've been about 1,500 miles and I don't find it all that bad. First of all, from the research I've done, I hear it's not really the engine itself, but the CVT that's somewhat noisy. But it's a hybrid, and often, the engine isn't even on. Besides, even when it is on, 99% of the time, I'm enjoying music from that 20-speaker Revel Ultima Audio system, so I don't hear it. But every now and then, I cut off the audio and ride in silence just to see what people are complaining about. It really isn't that bad to me. I hope you enjoy yours!! You probably won't pass another on the street any time soon.

[JHGMIA]

Congratulations!! At least you only waited two months--I waited FIVE!! :(. You and I ordered the same thing, except I also got the Climate package and the multi-contour seats. Depending on where you live (or if you have people riding in the back often), the climate package may not be a huge issue. But I couldn't pass up on the massaging seats, since the upgrade was only $600. Even if you don't use the massage function, it makes the seat much more customizable for your comfort.

 

​I've seen and read many reviewers who have said the MKZ Hybrid is noisy. Recent reviews suggest it's the noisiest of the 3 available engines. I've been about 1,500 miles and I don't find it all that bad. First of all, from the research I've done, I hear it's not really the engine itself, but the CVT that's somewhat noisy. But it's a hybrid, and often, the engine isn't even on. Besides, even when it is on, 99% of the time, I'm enjoying music from that 20-speaker Revel Ultima Audio system, so I don't hear it. But every now and then, I cut off the audio and ride in silence just to see what people are complaining about. It really isn't that bad to me. I hope you enjoy yours!! You probably won't pass another on the street any time soon.

[JHGMIA]

Byron, good move on your part. I regretted not getting the multi-contour seats within days of ordering. After reading how long the cars were taking from order to delivery I was afraid to make a change order . Now that I have my car I regret the decision even more. The leather and comfort of my Black Label seats appear no different the 10 way adjustable seats on non Black Label models As for climate package, no need for heated rear seats in my tropical climate. The engine noise seems quiet - for a 4 cyl motor trying to power the same car as the much-larger standard engines. This impression may be influenced by how loud my 2014 motor was, particularly on acceleration.

Edited September 19, 2016 by JHGMIA

[JHVJXN]

Ordered 35 days ago... no vin yet... spoke with my dealer, it was given a priority 10 but said he was in contact with the regional rep to get it pulled. Not sure what that means. Hopefully it is being expedited

Edited September 19, 2016 by JHVJXN

[17MKZ30T]

Ordered 35 days ago... no vin yet... spoke with my dealer, it was given a priority 10 but said he was in contact with the regional rep to get it pulled. Not sure what that means. Hopefully it is being expedited

You can try the Lincoln Concierge. He was able to get me my VIN, I just need to give him my order number and dealer number from the paperwork I got from the dealer after I placed the order.

[shortspark]

I do not know the name of the thread where someone advised me that the Lincoln lease deals are among the best.  I forgot now who it was and what he said but I configured an MKZ Reserve on the Lincoln website to about like I would want to order it.  It is a 3.0 FWD and the total price with destination comes to 46,434 which includes a 1000 incentive and the destination charge.  The lease period I selected was 36 months (10,500 miles per year).  The down payment is shown as 4,744 with no trade in, and monthly payments of 466.  The total due at signing is 6,044, which I guess includes other stuff besides the down payment.  Can you negotiate the sales price to get it lower?

 

I never leased and I am wondering if this is a good or bad lease.  Since no dealer wants to give me a good price on my trade, I figured I would lease and then take my time to sell my car privately.  Can someone please advise me on this as I am getting real close to pulling the trigger.

[drolds1]

Lease prices are definitely negotiable, just as purchase prices are.  You can always do better than those factory prices on the website.  That deal is not great.  That's a huge amount of cash to put down. I've never put down any money for a lease.  

[shortspark]

Thanks for that information.  I thought it seemed like a lot of down payment and they really don't tell you on the website what it covers.  That is the problem with leases - too many things are covered up and they get you one way or another.

[longislander]

There's really nothing that mystifying about leasing. Put some (or no) $ down, make a monthly payment for the term of the lease, and give the car back. Total up the payments and that's how much it cost you to drive the car for the period. Period!

Doesn't matter what they call the various fees, taxes, etc. What it comes down to is how much down and how much per month. 

To me leasing makes a lot of sense. I am always driving a car with the latest technology, I never spend any money on tires, brakes, or repairs, and I don't have to worry about resale value. My monthly payment is lower than if I bought the same car, and I don't have any money tied up in a depreciating asset.

Edited September 20, 2016 by longislander

[shortspark]

Makes sense, longislander!