17MKZ30T Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 Thanks guys, I'm happy they believe they can fix it with the paintless method. I was was really upset as I watched it happening out my hotel window with no place to move it to My dad owned a body shop for 42 years and I remember how they fixed hail damage back then, body work and repaint the repaired areas. The problem was the paint was never exactly the same as the factory paint. The shop is telling me I won't be able to tell it ever happened when they are done. I'll let you guys know how it turns out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHVJXN Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 I've had the pdr process done on several cars and it really is a science. With a skilled hand, you really can't see where the dents were... That just have been a terrible sight. Glad your pano roof didn't crack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schteve Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Damn 17 that SUPER SUX. I have to say PDR has been good for me. As stated before a skilled PDR guy will get it in shape. I have had to the service on the wife's 16 Enclave for door dings and once on my daughters 16 Jeep Compass. Couldn't tell it happened when done. Take heart and it had to be a sickening sight watching it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17MKZ30T Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 There has got to be well over 100 dents on the car going to be quite a task for the PDR guy. I was surprised we he told me he could have it done in two days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenZ Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 There has got to be well over 100 dents on the car going to be quite a task for the PDR guy. I was surprised we he told me he could have it done in two days. You definitely had the "nightmare" scenario that I think about any time I see those storm warnings while I am travelling. I always think about - could I pull under an interstate bridge or is there a covered parking deck or awning nearby? This last summer while travelling thru Iowa and with hail coming toward my hotel on the weather radar, I actually went out and pulled my car under the hotel check-in area awning. The storm passed with no hail, but I was a little calmer knowing I was "under cover". The PDR is remarkable. I had 2 major vertical creases and 1 minor dent in the front passenger door of my 2013 "Z" - from people opening their car doors. The creases were about 3 inches long. I pulled the car into the shop, went into the office to sign paperwork. chatted up the receptionist, poured my coffee and they were done before i could even drink it - probably 5-10 minutes max. I had pictures of the dents and knew exactly where they were and I could not even tell they had been there. The guy in the shop mentioned that he hated working on door dents on Lincolns. Apparently the sound deadening glass they use in the Lincoln windows is very expensive to replace if they happen to break the window while working on the door. I thought that was interesting. If anything good came out of your experience, I was glad to hear that the pano roof did not break. I thought it was probably pretty tough, but always wondered. I traded in my 13 "Z" Hybrid for the 17 "Z" 3.0T - quite a difference in the driving experience! It took a while to learn how to drive a Hybrid, now I am having to relearn how to drive without squealing the tires too much.... The 3.0T is pretty peppy! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17MKZ30T Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) KenZ, The storm caught me by surprise and the hotel didn't have the covered check in area or I would have definitely used it. I have a weather warning app on my phone that warns me about bad weather. Unfortunately I forgot to add the city we had traveled to. Live and learn I guess. Yes the pano roof is pretty strong , I had the Glass roof option on my 12 Mustang (similar but didn't open) never any issues with that one. I shudder to think of mow many more dents I would have had with a steel roof. I came out of a 12 Mustang with the 3.7 w/ 6 speed manual and the V6 Perf. Pkg That car was fast for a V6 but didn't pull the way the 3.0T does. Torque is a wonderful thing! Edited September 2, 2016 by 17MKZ30T KenZ and JHVJXN 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myron D. Brown Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 So...Out of frustration about my situation, I've been really quiet lately and haven't visited the forum in awhile... More to come another time. Goodnight... Robert Iggy Cerami 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newlinux Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 (edited) Looks good Myron. Congrats on getting it. For everyone who has ordered one, what should i reasonably expect for how long it will take me to get a VIN and then actually receive the vehicle? How often should I expect updates from the dealer or should I just check in with the concierge here and there... Edited September 7, 2016 by newlinux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myron D. Brown Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Looks good Myron. Congrats on getting it. For everyone who has ordered one, what should i reasonably expect for how long it will take me to get a VIN and then actually receive the vehicle? How often should I expect updates from the dealer or should I just check in with the concierge here and there... I ordered mine April 8, and it just showed up at the dealer this past Saturday morning, September 3. Due to the weekend and the Labor Day holiday, the crew that does the final inspection and detail wasn't there until Tuesday, so I just drove it home yesterday. I never knew the VIN until yesterday. I started getting "real" updates about a month ago. But you may want to get some others' experiences. My situation was extremely unusual. Apparently, the Thoroughbred Black Label theme was very delayed. These all just started showing up on lots last week at every dealer's website I checked. But it's finally here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17MKZ30T Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 For everyone who has ordered one, what should i reasonably expect for how long it will take me to get a VIN and then actually receive the vehicle? How often should I expect updates from the dealer or should I just check in with the concierge here and there... Ordered mine May 25th took delivery August 4th. However most of us placed our orders quite early for 3.0T cars. Production of those cars started later the 2.0T cars hence the longer wait. Don't quote me but... I would thing now that production of all models is in full swing the normal 6-8 week delivery time should hold true. With the possible exception of some of the Black Label models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17MKZ30T Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 Myron, I really like the Thoroughbred interior. Hope you find, like me, it was worth the wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17MKZ30T Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 Got the estimate today for the hail damage, PDR the dents in body panels (they counted about 370) and replace some trim pieces.3 days in the shop. A little less than $3900. Actually less than I thought it would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalvern Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I ordered mine April 8, and it just showed up at the dealer this past Saturday morning, September 3. Due to the weekend and the Labor Day holiday, the crew that does the final inspection and detail wasn't there until Tuesday, so I just drove it home yesterday. I never knew the VIN until yesterday. I started getting "real" updates about a month ago. But you may want to get some others' experiences. My situation was extremely unusual. Apparently, the Thoroughbred Black Label theme was very delayed. These all just started showing up on lots last week at every dealer's website I checked. But it's finally here... Ah yes, I did mention that way back then. Hearing how Thoroughbred had a delay going on. But at least you finally got it now! Hope you enjoy your built car and it serves you well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myron D. Brown Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Ah yes, I did mention that way back then. Hearing how Thoroughbred had a delay going on. But at least you finally got it now! Hope you enjoy your built car and it serves you well! I'm enjoying it so far...but corporate is going to hear some MAJOR complaining from me for their lack of information and transparency to customers. I'm slightly disappointed about one feature of this car (nothing major...). In 2015-16 Black Label MKZs, I'm pretty sure I remember all the pillars and the entire headliner being made of Alcantara suede. In this 2017, it's just the pillars. My headliner is a more "generic" cloth material. I wonder why they made that change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newlinux Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 http://driving.ca/lincoln/mkz/reviews/road-test/car-review-2017-lincoln-mkz-reserve-awd-3-0t-2 Canadian review, apparently it's too expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHVJXN Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I ordered mine on August 15. Hav not gotten vin yet. Talked to concierge and they looked it up and confirmed the order and said it was in process. Hope to get the vin next week. Talked to my salesman and he said they pull vins on Thursdays. Anyone know what that's all about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17MKZ30T Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 I ordered mine on August 15. Hav not gotten vin yet. Talked to concierge and they looked it up and confirmed the order and said it was in process. Hope to get the vin next week. Talked to my salesman and he said they pull vins on Thursdays. Anyone know what that's all about? Just that they have the ability to check the status of vehicles they have on order, which will give the them VIN when it becomes available. When I was waiting for mine I was able to get my VIN from the Lincoln Concierge. But I also could have gotten from my dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducrider Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Hello all, new member here. After months of fun shopping and comparing, I'm near pulling the trigger for a '17 MKZ Reserve. My question though, and I hope a Ford / Lincoln rep can chime in, is why I seemingly cannot order dark blue sapphire exterior with a jade gray interior. I'm told, though I haven't seen one, that the jade gray interior "pure gray" if you will, with no hint of green. Since all the trim pieces just snap into place, it wouldn't seem impossible to build, or require more assembly line sophistication. Is there any code for custom order? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schteve Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 This is not unusual. When I was shopping around, nearly every manufacturer had this type of "configuration" requirement. I don't like it but it's what it is. Certain colors are only available with certain interiors and wheel etc... Trust me, Lincoln is not close to the worst, in my experience the worst and most complex is Infiniti. What a disaster trying to build a car. It's almost to the Henry Ford model T statement - any color you want as long as it's black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortspark Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 I agree that many manufacturers do this, especially with colors and even interior materials (such as Mercedes). One thing about the MKZ that is strange is that they restrict you to a black interior with the driver's package. If you want the new 400hp motor (which I think is a huge selling point for Lincoln) you would want the driver's package, primarily for the torque vectoring to help keep this beast in tow. It is available in awd only and if you select fwd, the motor is reduced to 350hp. If you want a different interior color but still want the driver's package for the big engine, you are forced to go all the way up to Black Label, which retains its "themes" interiors with or without the driver's package. I think this restriction of black interior with the driver's package on any level other than BL is a marketing mistake. drolds1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 I agree that many manufacturers do this, especially with colors and even interior materials (such as Mercedes). One thing about the MKZ that is strange is that they restrict you to a black interior with the driver's package. If you want the new 400hp motor (which I think is a huge selling point for Lincoln) you would want the driver's package, primarily for the torque vectoring to help keep this beast in tow. It is available in awd only and if you select fwd, the motor is reduced to 350hp. If you want a different interior color but still want the driver's package for the big engine, you are forced to go all the way up to Black Label, which retains its "themes" interiors with or without the driver's package. I think this restriction of black interior with the driver's package on any level other than BL is a marketing mistake. I wholeheartedly agree, as I stated here. I also agree that Lincoln certainly isn't alone here. And yes, try pricing a German car and adding all the things that come standard on an MKZ. Then add the other options you'd want. Talk about sticker shock. A friend of mine got an E-class M-B last year. I think he said it was about $60G. It doesn't have rear park sensors or leather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalvern Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 (edited) I agree that many manufacturers do this, especially with colors and even interior materials (such as Mercedes). One thing about the MKZ that is strange is that they restrict you to a black interior with the driver's package. If you want the new 400hp motor (which I think is a huge selling point for Lincoln) you would want the driver's package, primarily for the torque vectoring to help keep this beast in tow. It is available in awd only and if you select fwd, the motor is reduced to 350hp. If you want a different interior color but still want the driver's package for the big engine, you are forced to go all the way up to Black Label, which retains its "themes" interiors with or without the driver's package. I think this restriction of black interior with the driver's package on any level other than BL is a marketing mistake. I will agree the limitation of Driver's Package which utimately helps define this car's real special performance (Dynamic Torque Vectoring is heavily underestimated compared to the brake based torque vectoring found on most premium luxury), since many are just rating the non-AWD or non-Driver's Package version, or even really understand the advantage accelerating dynamic torque vectoring brings. DTV really helps this car shine and most who review it and think the rival cars have better handling, did not use a DTV-equipped MKZ to its fullest. Fun fact: Paddle shifters work great with DTV, as you can anticipate when coming up to a turn vs. the computer that only reacts when you are turning. Downshifting a little earlier (and no brake pressure) lets you get more sweet spots to time when to start accelerating upon entering the turn, and rocket out once straighten up. It's seriously exhilarating fun (but do be wise about it, and tire quality is still always the utmost important tool to have) and what sets the bar up for the Driver's Package MKZ and Focus RS. I honestly enjoy it more than a variety of good handling competitors like Mercedes, Audi, Jaguar, and even Cadillac since they all focus on a dynamic brake based vectoring style currently (but will go dynamic accelerating as I call it, soon enough). Sadly no dealership lot test drive will be enough to demonstrate it without really putting its handling to the test. It's one of those small things that help the MKZ feel unique for its time for those who know it. This is why GKN's AWD-DTV system going into the MKZ was a huge selling point for me, since the Focus RS gained this unique charm over a huge variety of other hot hatches. It does not matter if its the fastest in a straight line, its a real refinement style to control and drive especially in daily and track course style driving. Funny thing is the weight doesn't hurt it as much many think, and feels extremely stable especially if you control it with downshifting acceleration (the one thing I find a person can do over the computer in my experience playing and opinion). I expect this DTV to become more apparent as future cars come. I'm lucky I was able to have a build combination that suited me though, as if I could not get Black Label...the Reserve trim limitations would have been frustrating indeed. I know the pain all too well from my Fusion, giving up one thing for the choice of another. I'm very lucky my MKZ did not give me such choices...it was the only car that did not in fact, which is why cross shopping competitors was easily desired. Now I just want this car to serve me well which it has so far. For its price (being new), I found the MKZ the better car especially since its build with everything in mind. Not just performance, not just being a luxury slow cruiser, but a really good all around balance. Quiet Luxury they may call it, but the vehicle is keeping its inner beasts quelled easily. It's going to be even more of a blast once tuned, but even then, the stock tune is just fine for the daily drive. At least the transmission in S gear DOES become something else compared to a variety of other Ford/Lincoln vehicles that have S gear. Pressing it even at the lowest speeds, and you feel that awakening shift...gets me every time. Edited September 11, 2016 by Zalvern drolds1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHVJXN Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 I don't think I will order a car again. It's only been a month and I am sick of waiting. I'm sure it will be worth it. No vin yet... No info other than it's processing. KenZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myron D. Brown Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Calm down...I think I have the record for this forum: FIVE MONTHS from order to delivery. LOL. You can do it. JHVJXN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBrown Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Custom built orders always take a long time for delivery. I remember ordering my 2000 Lincoln LS in early August of 1999 and finally took delivery at the end of November 1999. So this is not a new issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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