Does 2017 MKZ have "start/stop"

[shortspark]

I can't determine if the new MKZ has start/stop in all engine models.  Does anyone know?  If so, can it be disabled and remain in memory as the default setting so that you do not have to push buttons each time you start the motor?

[tgara]

I'm not quite sure, but it might be a feature integrated with the cruise control, what Lincoln is calling "Adaptive Cruise Control with Stop-And-Go".  From the description, it says that can bring the car to a stop, and RESTART it when traffic begins to move again.

 

My wife's BMW has this, and I hate it.  I always turn it off.  I do not want the car deciding when to turn the engine off.

[drolds1]

AFAIK, start/stop remains only on the MKZ hybrid for 2017.  All EB F-150s will have it as will Escapes with the 1.5 and 2.0 EB engines. IDK why the 2.0 in the MKZ as well as the Fusion don't get it but the Escape does. Only the Fusion 1.5 has it.    Eventually all FoMoCo products will have it.  To date there's no way to permanently disable it, as can be done on some BMWs. 

 

 

[shortspark]

I hope you are right and stop/start is only considered for the adaptive cruise control rather than the stop/start that turns off the motor at traffic lights.  If the hybrid is the only model that has start/stop then it is no longer a consideration.  Chances are anyway that I will opt for the 400 hp.

[Myron D. Brown]

I hope you are right and stop/start is only considered for the adaptive cruise control rather than the stop/start that turns off the motor at traffic lights.  If the hybrid is the only model that has start/stop then it is no longer a consideration.  Chances are anyway that I will opt for the 400 hp.

 

The start/stop feature has nothing to do with cruise control. You all are thinking of adaptive cruise control with "stop and go," something totally different. Start/stop technology is what many manufacturers have been including in recent years, even in nonhybrid vehicles. (Hybrids will do it already.) Basically, it just turns the engine off temporarily when you come to a stop. But Ford (and Chevrolet) is saying that their engines will resume immediately and seamlessly when you lift your foot from the brake. Cars with this feature also have more powerful starter motors and usually a better quality battery. So I don't understand why everyone hates it so much...especially since it's designed to be seamless. The accessories will continue to run, so in most cases you wouldn't even notice it, especially if you have music playing.

 

I did read that Ford would be bringing this technology to all EcoBoost engines soon. ​But watch these two videos. They will answer a lot of questions. The second video explains things more clearly and gives the reasons for the trend.

 

Auto Start-Stop│Ford How-To Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnrhTDjHLdY

 

Car Tech 101: Auto-start-stop explained (On Cars)

Edited May 26, 2016 by Myron D. Brown

[shortspark]

Yes, Myron, that is the start/stop system I was talking about.  It appears it is available on the MKZ hybrid but not the other engines at this time.  I never drove one until the other day.  I was having service done on my car and they gave me a CLA to run around in.  Every time I came to a light the engine stopped and it jerked me when it started again.  I don't care about gas mileage and I know I can disable it but I still don't like it, But unless Ford makes a better system than Mercedes it would be a deal breaker.  In fact, I would prefer to disable it as a default setting rather than doing it each time I start the motor.  If the MKZ gas engines are not start/stop that puts them even higher on my list.

[drolds1]

Yes, Myron, that is the start/stop system I was talking about.  It appears it is available on the MKZ hybrid but not the other engines at this time.  I never drove one until the other day.  I was having service done on my car and they gave me a CLA to run around in.  Every time I came to a light the engine stopped and it jerked me when it started again.  I don't care about gas mileage and I know I can disable it but I still don't like it, But unless Ford makes a better system than Mercedes it would be a deal breaker.  In fact, I would prefer to disable it as a default setting rather than doing it each time I start the motor.  If the MKZ gas engines are not start/stop that puts them even higher on my list.

A friend of mine has a C300 with start/stop.  When he first got it it was driving him nuts but I notice now that he leaves it on so I guess he got used to it.  It is perceptible in that car but not terrible.  I haven't ridden in a FoMoCo product with it but there are complaints on the F-150 forums.  There's a workaround in the trucks. It can be disabled by covering the trailer wiring socket That fools they system into thinking it's towing; one of the parameters for canceling stop/start.  There are a number of others.  

 

Side note:  the 2017MKZ has an "Auto-Hold" feature.  When stopped, (at a light, for example), when you lift your foot off the brake pedal, the car won't creep ahead.  

[shortspark]

My Mercedes ML 350 has this feature and it does not turn the motor off.  It only applies a "hold" brake feature so the car does not require your foot on the brake but the engine stays on.  On mine, the "hold" feature is only activated when you press firmly on the brake pedal and only when it is on an incline.  The move off when the gas is applied is seamless.  The actual "start/stop" that shuts down the engine when the car stops may save a little in gas but the C class I was given as a loaner sure did buckle and burp a bit when it turned back on.  I'm glad the MXZ has the feature only in the hybrid - at least that is what I am gathering.

[Myron D. Brown]

But it seems like this is the future of all cars, eventually--like it or not.

[shortspark]

Yep, that is the future for sure.  Virtually all makers are going to this "technology".  It will get better for sure.  But the one gripe I have is the inability in some cars to create a default setting of "off".  Almost all of them allow you to turn it off at the start of your trip.  Mercedes for example has a button to hit which you do once at start up and it disables "stop/start" - but only until you turn the car off by the key.  Once that happens the default reverts to "on" so you have to go through the button pressing routine each and every time at start up.  That is no big deal but still an extra thing to fool with.  Until they get this thing down perfect I would like the option to disable it until I want it activated.

[Myron D. Brown]

Yea...but people are making such a huge deal about it, that I wonder if they're honestly weighing the benefits (to their wallets and to the air we breathe) vs. a seemingly minor inconvenience (some have reported a slight jerking). I've seen so many folks griping about it in YouTube video comments. I guess the fear is that the engine won't restart soon enough and leave them stalling and once a light turns green. But on a truly "seamless" system, where there's no jerking, the displays and lights stay on, the music keeps playing, etc., then I don't see the issue. I don't know...

[Myron D. Brown]

My coworker has it in her Ford Fusion. She didn't even know it until I told her she had it.

[Myron D. Brown]

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Edited May 27, 2016 by Myron D. Brown

[drolds1]

My Mercedes ML 350 has this feature and it does not turn the motor off.  It only applies a "hold" brake feature so the car does not require your foot on the brake but the engine stays on.  On mine, the "hold" feature is only activated when you press firmly on the brake pedal and only when it is on an incline.  The move off when the gas is applied is seamless.  The actual "start/stop" that shuts down the engine when the car stops may save a little in gas but the C class I was given as a loaner sure did buckle and burp a bit when it turned back on.  I'm glad the MXZ has the feature only in the hybrid - at least that is what I am gathering.

The MKZ already has a hill-hold feature.  The auto-hold is for flat surfaces.

 

 

Hill Start Assist



WARNING

  The system does not replace the parking brake. When you leave your vehicle, always apply the parking brake. Failure to leave your vehicle securely parked may lead to a crash or injury. See Electric Parking Brake. 

  You must remain in your vehicle when the system turns on. At all times, you are responsible for controlling your vehicle, supervising the system and intervening, if required. Failure to take care may result in the loss of control of your vehicle, serious personal injury or death.

  The system will turn off if a malfunction is apparent or if you rev the engine excessively. Failure to take care may result in the loss of control of your vehicle, serious personal injury or death.

The system makes it easier to pull away when your vehicle is on a slope without the need to use the parking brake.

When the system is active, your vehicle remains stationary on the slope for two to three seconds after you release the brake pedal. This allows time to move your foot from the brake to the accelerator pedal. The system releases the brakes automatically once the engine has developed sufficient torque to prevent your vehicle from rolling down the slope. This is an advantage when pulling away on a slope, for example from a car park ramp, traffic lights or when reversing uphill into a parking space.

Note:  The system only functions when you bring your vehicle to a complete standstill in an uphill gear (for example, drive (D) when facing uphill or reverse ® when facing downhill).

Note:  There is no warning light to indicate the system is either on or off.

Using Hill Start Assist

1. Press the brake pedal to bring your vehicle to a complete standstill. Keep the brake pedal pressed.

1. If the sensors detect that your vehicle is on a slope, the system activates automatically.

1. When you remove your foot from the brake pedal, your vehicle remains on the slope without rolling away for about two to three seconds. This hold time automatically extends if you are in the process of driving off.

1. Drive off in the normal manner. The system releases the brakes automatically.

Note:  When you remove your foot from the brake pedal and press the pedal again when the system is active, you will experience significantly reduced brake pedal travel. This is normal.

[tgara]

Thanks for the videos and explanation Myron. I'm going to try the Auto Start Stop on my BMW again.