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#1 brucelinc

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 10:19 AM

I have contacted both Livernois and SCT about tuning for the 3.0.   Livernois told me they "can't wait to get that tuning out" and they are "as excited as you are about it."  They wouldn't commit to a date when a tune would be available.

 

SCT is also prepared to support tuning.  They said it would be shortly after the first of the year.   Unleashed Tuning  already told me that when SCT supports it, they will develop custom tunes.

 

I have used Livernois for my MKS so I am more loyal to them.  I look forward to seeing what these cars will do with a good tune!!







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Posted 10 November 2016 - 01:14 PM

Well Brucelinc, I've talked with Livernois not too long ago myself. That may be why, as I've sent them my ECU information. I'm just hoping to get my fresh RDU fluid in but apparently, Ford has not released the "Torque Vectoring Fluid" which is critical to have in the RDU fluid. Just because they "didn't expect anyone with a Focus RS/Driver's MKZ" to want to change the RDU fluid this early on. Bah...

 

I've been on the fence in regards to remote tuning, but am more willing to getting mine tuned in house by them (that is always best measure for peace of mind I feel). I want Dyno comparisons anyways (stock and tuned), to which I know I can trust them even if they're a bit conservative about trying new things and their ways. Livernois would need my vehicle for about a week. Just waiting until SEMA ends and their tuners return. It still will help them get a global tune going for other owners, though they might get their shop car going.

 

I'll keep you posted.



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Posted 10 November 2016 - 01:45 PM

This is great news.  And I love asking these types of questions... What do you guys think it'll do on the dyno stock and tuned?



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Posted 10 November 2016 - 02:07 PM

I have had total success with Livernois remote tuning and the fastest SHOs I know of are remote tuned by Livernois or Unleashed. Having said that, I have no doubt that an individual dyno tune is still superior in terms of performance and safety.

I have no idea about dyno numbers for the 3.0. As I recall, most stock SHOs are around 285 HP at the wheels and 350-360 tuned. That equates to around 348 stock and 428 tuned at the crank. Some more aggressive tunes and other mods can raise the numbers substantially.

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 04:34 PM

Nice. Get to it guys!  I definitely plan on tuning when I get it next year.    



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Posted 10 November 2016 - 06:55 PM

I'll say stock should easily be above 300+ to all wheels. Maybe 320-330ish if we're going by standard AWD drivetrain loss. Either way, above 300 AWHP stock was my desire and I know the 3.0T achieves that.

My Fusion is tuned by them and served me well. I want my MKZ to get the best treatment and optimization though, as I do not want to be doing serious "bolt on" mods and changes. Even the thermostat I will keep stock since I run a high heat absorption coolant.

Livernois is conservative but have met thier word in both safety and performance. An in house tune will let them fully data log and diagnostic test my vehicle.

I'll also let them use MS-109 VP Racing Fuel if they wish to try a higher octane. They can make an 87 octane tune, but I will be keeping mine with 93 octane plus ACES IV.

Just waiting to hear back on an arrangement date. As I sent my vehicle's strategy codes over.

Man I'm going to be in trouble once this thing gets optimized. It still is a sleeping beast already in stock form, just nitpicky when you can get full performance.

Edited by Zalvern, 10 November 2016 - 08:08 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2016 - 08:41 PM

Well, I hope some of what they learn from yours can be applied to mine! I am not looking for the absolute ultimate racing tune. I just want engine and transmission performance comparable to my MKS.

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 01:28 PM

Transmission tuning alone will do great wonders and unlock loss power due to the ECU systems being on high restrictions (because its a street car, doesn't mean it can't handle more just fine, but tuned for legal street driving).

 

The manufacturers manipulate the transmissions and drive train to be more of the "security measure" between engine and drive train output. This allows them (OEM) to factually boast numbers like the 400 HP/TQ ratings for the engine itself, but put more final power output control on the transmission and drive train. The average customer isn't even going to be looking that depth when buying a car, so its pretty easy to get away with. Plus it keeps the car more "in tune" with street safety, warranty periods, and the law. Street cars get a bigger tuning boost than performance bound cars do since they're more restrictive from the start.

 

For most, more HP/TQ = go faster. But it is more about how restrictive things are after the engine outputs its crank ratings (transmission and drive train losses due to energy transfer rate and ECU control). But the OEM have to somewhat "idiot proof" these high power engines after all. Otherwise raw 400+ HP/TQ would have people zipping into walls and off roads like in an old school muscle.

 

Once it gets ironed out, and we have a bit more aggressive 6F55 (and it will be fine, just keep the fluids healthy)...our 3.0T will be much more free with its power.


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Posted 11 November 2016 - 01:46 PM

Zalvern, I agree 100%. If the ONLY improvement that a tune provided was applicable to transmission behavior, it would be worth it to me.

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 06:39 PM

What's the torque limit of the 6F55?

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 09:04 PM

What's the torque limit of the 6F55?


I recall reading about a 2011 Taurus SHO pushing around 600 AWHP and torque while still on the stock 6F55. Of course its not like it is hammering all that power, all the time.

I would go no more around 550 personally, and that is power going to the wheels, not crank (which will be higher). Not that its true, but I felt the 55 was a good indicator that 550 HP and TQ to the wheels would still be feasible and reliable on a healthy transmission unit and drivetrain.

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 09:31 PM

The good news is that we have seen very few failures of the 6F55 even on highly tuned vehicles that have made 100s of quarter mile passes. In fact, I can only think of a couple of failures and driver stupidity played a large role in those.

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 09:46 PM

Wow. They are much more durable than I thought. I think I would be complete extatic with 450 to the wheels so I should be well within safe limits. This is great info. Thanks guys.

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Posted 12 November 2016 - 09:03 AM

The are tough transmissions and a tune vastly improves the shift quickness and firmness without losing the daily driving smoothness.  This is a lousy quality video that I made while doing a 0-60 run and holding my phone at the same time.  Notice how the 1-2 shift is quick yet smooth.  Oh, and the car gets to 60 pretty quick, too.   :)

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=7PfpYWUtAyA


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Posted 12 November 2016 - 09:50 AM

That is impressive how a car with 4,000+ pounds and all wheel drive can chirp the tires on the shift into second on the way to a 4 second 0-60. That was tuned by Livernois?

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Posted 12 November 2016 - 10:04 AM

Livernois tune and no other mods. It idles smoothly, runs great and gets good fuel economy. Been tuned since 2012 and zero problems. Also about 60 passes at the drag strip.

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Posted 12 November 2016 - 12:49 PM

That's what I'm talking about. What did you run in the quarter stock and then tuned?

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Posted 12 November 2016 - 01:11 PM

I never did run it stock but magazine road tests were around 13.7 @ 100. My best run with the tune is 12.68 @ 108.5.

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Posted 12 November 2016 - 11:22 PM

That's a big improvement in ET and a mph that shows you were making some hp.

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Posted 13 November 2016 - 10:06 PM

Hm, next time you should try comparing times with low fuel tank and full fuel tanks, if that ever crossed your mind.

 

Maybe in older cars, but not ours. Its just one more thing to upset the ECU and start losing performance.The ECU measures fuel quantity and adjusts how much fuel  pressure pump rates iare applied at given throttle levels. I feel to turn out better performance and times with a full tank of gas. Some people may think the full fuel tank happier performance is just a placebo, but it is not. The car is performing better as the fuel pump isn't restricting its pressure to conserve fuel and improve economy. The ECU is smart about this, and focuses on performance when full, and economy when nearing half and empty (that is why our fuel always declines fast for the first quarter tank, then slows down around half way and below).


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